ARCADE ob, tb, and vf2 at nyg!!!

..maybe. i'm thinking about it. it would be a real job.

and adam/andy: that projector won't work. not unless it can do 25khz (horizontal).

but if it could be made to, or if you found a way, that would make my task of getting the setup there *monumentally* easier. so much so that i wouldn't have to "think" about it..i would just bring the games with me.

 

does anybody know how and where to get a large bare moniter with all the wires exposed properly housed? and quick?

 

damn damn dammit damn. Now I really wish I was going. Arg. arg argargarg.

<font color=white> Llanfair the prized <font color=green>cabbage</font color=green></font color=white>

 

damn...

If the projector doesnt work, i dont know how else to do it. A regular computer monitor wont work right, Rich? It would be great to mess around with OB, but then again, i've gotten so used to TB (even though its Dreamcast version and not arcade), that it would be totally disorienting!

But it would be amazing if it can somehow happen...i'll poke around and see what i can do..

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<font color=white>adam</font color=white><font color=red>YUKI</font color=red>

 

well..if you could find a computer monitor that scans horizontally at 25khz, and has a vga connector, then we'd be good to go.

but the monitor i've got is really nice, and i'm working on trying to get it out there, trying to set things up better.
stay tuned.

 

don't worry my green vegetable friend, there may be another chance soon...

 

okay, from the feedback i've gotten it appears no one seems to give much of a shit about this. so unless i'm convinced otherwise, at this point i don't believe it's worth my time, money and effort to bring down the setup.

 

I know that I, myself, and some others were really looking forward to the arcade setups. But if it is too much hassle for you, then that's okay. Sorry some of us weren't too vocal about it, but I know that quite a few people were really excited about it, including myself/images/icons/smile.gif

-Chanchai

 

while not going myself, I think that it is a real shame that
people honestly seem to prefer the watered down version of
VF3TB to the real thing. Honestly, guys, there is little to
no comparison; arcade rocks and the DC soothes.

ah well.

GE

 

noted, and thanks

 

How can you say that? The Dreamcast conversion, however grafically flawed, is still a great conversion and is actually more enjoyed by allot of people. The two are very similar aside from some of the weight changes. There is no "real thing" only slightly different.

 

Yes, its been drilled into our heads that the arcade version has superior graphics. But its just that 98% of the players have trained for almost two years on the DC version. They are comfortable with playing on the DC arcade sticks. True, that hardcore VF'ers love the grafix of the arcade series, but in the end, its all about the gameplay - and the DC version is very comparable.

Is it worth the trouble for Rich to bring it down, when most players will be gravitating towards the DC version (because of their comfort level with it)?

Maybe an official poll would do.....

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<font color=white>adam</font color=white><font color=red>YUKI</font color=red>

 

shadowdean: you have NO time logged on a tb machine. adam, you have a few hours, and that was before the DC version even came out.

now with that...really, what can you tell me about the arcade tb? the differences extend far beyond graphics, and weight. there's game speed, there's hit detection, there's ura mechanics, there are differences in combos (some are VERY important: TFT stuff), and there's a also just a certain feeling about it that i can't put my finger on..

all of that adds up to the point where, in the end at high levels of play, they're two *completely* different games. and ask me or any of the toronto folks, the arcade tb game is a far superior one to the DC vf3 game, in every respect, *especially* gameplay.
[far more enjoyable, too, because there's no loading time. you can play tb like it was meant to. i've got mine set up at four match points team battle...it's a blast. that's the way tb SHOULD be enjoyed, but it's just too slow on the dc]

 

>How can you say that?

i should ask you the same question. godeater and i have many hours logged on both versions. you do not. what do you know?

 

this is a lot like the Tekken versus VF posts on RGVA but, oh well

How can you say that? The Dreamcast conversion, however grafically flawed, is still a great conversion and is actually more enjoyed by allot of people. The two are very similar aside from some of the weight changes. There is no "real thing" only slightly different.

Rich has already addressed the main points to the argument
so I'll leave that alone except to say that the differences
extend far below the graphical facade. In many ways, it's
a lot like the Saturn port of VF2, only prettier.

That said, I wasn't arguing that it was a poor conversion
(I still enjoy playing the DC with Clan Toronto...a lot),
I was just blown away that given the chance to play with
no load time on the original hardware on a beyuuuuutiful
monitor that people would choose not to. When people
play on the DC they almost always choose "Normal Mode"
which I find laughable considering the name of the game:
"Team battle". Three Akiras does not a team make.

And I consider the version to come first and be the
model for "conversion" a strong enough argument for
the existence of a Real Thing.

"Of course, that's just my opinion; I could be wrong".

GE

 

True...I hate the TB on the DC version - it is far more fun on the arcade.

-->"all of that adds up to the point where, in the end at high levels of play, they're two *completely* different games.."

I think that statement is questionable. A few people i've talked to - people that have played in Japan for a few weeks - say that the players over there have gotten better as a result of practicing on the DC version! Also, it is fair to assume that the DC version ignited interest in the arcade version - VF3tb (arcade) is now back in the top 10.

-->"the differences extend far beyond graphics, and weight. there's game speed, there's hit detection, there's ura mechanics, there are differences in combos..."

That might be true...but i guess it just doesnt have MUCH of an effect on the overall playing experience (playing competitively), if players in Japan can seamlessly transition themselves to playing the arcade version after playing the DC version. This is true for me (granted i played it for a few hours in Toronto), as i transitioned perfectly to the DC after playing in the arcade. I didnt feel drastic change (speed, collision detection, etc.), aside from the joysticks (i prefer the DC sticks). Also when Emil came to NYC and played with us for a week, he didnt have any difficulty adjusting to DC gameplay - and he plays the arcade version frequently (or used to).

So, granted there are considerable differences in graphics and even gameplay (as you stated above), but in the end when playing competitively, it doesnt matter much which version one plays. Most players here just wont care about the differences, cause the DC version is all the've known.

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<font color=white>adam</font color=white><font color=red>YUKI</font color=red>

 

>players over there have gotten better as a result of practicing on the DC version!

okay...is that supposed to mean there is a difference in the two? or not?
(either way, *of course* you'll get better if you *practice*.. through any form).

>This is true for me (granted i played it for a few hours in Toronto)

you need more time than that. i didn't think much of the differences beyond the visuals and certain tft combos myself, until i had many more hours logged onto it.

>the DC version is all the've known.

well that is a real crying shame. and it's their loss. i can't fathom why anyone just wouldn't care.

 

I have to agree with Monsieur Le Bungle, there is a quality about the real TB that didn't make it into the DC version. The game seems to have a much higher dynamic than the DC version. There are subtle and not so subtle differences in game play, and I believe these differences add up in the arcade's favour. Making the arcade a truly great game, while the DC is a good game.

They both have their pros and cons. I enjoy playing Dural on the DC. But, in the end given the choice I'd rather be playing the arcade version.

I think the NYG2er's are missing a great opportunity to play the game in all it's glory, as Yu Suzuki had intended it, by turning down Rich's offer to bring his system. All of you can play the DC as much as you want. How often do you get a chance to play the arcade as much as you want? You could enjoy a gathering similar to the original Moat when everyone was huddled around a VF2 machine in a house just outside of chinatown in Toronto, and that house had nothing in it but a VF2 machine and 50 people eager to play. Ah, the glory days of VF.



cheers,
kbcat

 

Nobody is denying the arcade's greatness.

It is a superior game (more so graphically than gameplay wise). I have been playing since VF1 came out, and so am just as much a fan of the arcade as you guys are. I also remember gathering around arcade machines waiting to play - my heart racing. I too was disappointed in the DC version, because for once there was a good possibility that we would be playing the arcade version at home with the graphics intact, but we were let down again.

My argument is that the gameplay differences do not make a HUGE difference, when playing competitively. Gameplay-wise the DC verion is a fairly good representation. I think when people say that they would much rather play the arcade version, it has more to do with the very noticeable graphical differences and nostalgiac feelings associated with it, than the "drastic" changes in gameplay.

If Rich wants to do it would be great to play the arcade as well. I really wish we could have somehow projected it on the huge screen, as that is what makes playing the DC version really intense!

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<font color=white>adam</font color=white><font color=red>YUKI</font color=red><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1>Edited by adamYUKI on 8/9/00 01:47 PM.</FONT></P>

 

btw, i think DOA2 shouldn't be at the gathering.
it should be played on a regular tv not on the
main projectors, i don't think there's gonna be
time for doa2.

why is there an issue with rich bringing his
stuff? it all comes down to this;

1. is it really a big inconvenience to bring all
the boards and the monitor? if it is, don't bring
it.

2. can anybody please find out if there is a way
to connect the boards to a projector.

3. if rich decides to bring everything, i would
defenetly be playing it. i'm sure everyone agrees
with that.

4. CAN WE HAVE 2 PROJECTORS PLAYING DC VF3 AND
RICH's MONITOR PLAYING ARCADE VF3,vf2,vf? that
would be a kick ass gathering! everyone gets to
play everybody! with a choice!

see it's simple.


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