Arcadia magazine's latest tier list

Didn't buy the magazine so I don't know the reasoning for the ranks, but here they are...

S: Akira, Jacky, Taka, Lion
A: Goh, Vanessa, Brad, Jean
B: Shun, Wolf
C: Lau, Aoi, Pai, Kage, Sarah, Blaze
D: Eileen, Lei-Fei, Jeffry

Just from personal experience, in FS I've never met an Eileen, Lei or Jeffry player that I was intimidated by, but every other character I've always met at least a couple of players that were super good with them.

 

I fucking knew Jeffry was trash tier, it's so obvious.

 

Looks like the system mechanics hurt eileen really bad. I'll have to wait for judgement until I get my hands on the game though, I doubt I'll drop her.

 

Jeffry is a strong character, it's just that the system in FS doesn't suit him very well. Plus the loss of splash mountain is huuuuuge.

 

I disagree, I think Jeffry is strong in vanilla but not in FS when everyone does the same damage as him with ease. Clearly, the FS system and Jeffry don't mesh together.

Splash is irrelevant, would only add 5 more damage to his front throw.

His striking game has much to be desired compared to his glorious days in R, I'm sure you faced that first hand.

 

The real question: is the difference between the top and bottom tiers greater, less, or about the same as vanilla?

The opening comment makes it sound like it's greater.

 

Hey Reno

Do you know why Lau dropped so far in the tier list?,unless It's my imagination I thought he was one of the top characters when FS first came out.

 

Am I wrong that the Eileen ranking here clashes with the chart below posted by Akai here?



Or am I reading this chart wrong?

 

Thanks for the info Reno

Not sure how the difference compares to Vanilla but as far as FS goes I don't think the difference between the tiers is much at all.

Some of the lower tiered characters in this list have some great tools from what i've seen, especially Kage, Lau, Sarah.

Also, judging from akai's tournament result charts some the higher ranking characters like Jean, Vanessa and Wolf don't appear to be doing as well as the lower tiered characters.

 

Sounds about right.

I was originally gonna post something like this in the Jeffry 101 thread, but seeing this confirmed my suspicions.

I wouldn't say trash, you just need to be a better player and work harder. I play a little of Akira, Aoi, Brad, Goh, Kage, Pai, Sarah, Taka, Vanessa, and Wolf (and play against lots of Jacky, Jean, and Lion players, and learned a little of Shun). I feel they all generally have better tools at their disposal.

Granted he could use a few of these things (one or two to be fair):
1. A better 14-15 frame punisher. , while decent near a wall, is a too weak. Something like OS Vanessa/Brad's + would be awesome.
2. A low. As an offensive tool to be used a lot (+ is good vs wakeup), he only has Yeah, is okay, but other characters have access to lows that also duck under highs instantly, but they also get a decent combo.
3. Throw damage up by a little more (70 front). His + is good as is. Maybe up his low throws as well.
4. An anti-low tool. (akin to Brad/Wolf/Lau +) Jump attacks aren't good, and just blocking is bleh. His + from R was excellent.
5. Damage up in general or speed up really slow attacks. Yeah, Jeffry can do half+ damage on some combos, and almost every time you get a wall combo... this is not unique. And the biggest damage combos are dependent on + on COUNTER HIT. Yeah, it's a launcher that's double limbed, long ranged, mid... but 30 frames. It's really hard to land a move like that against a worthy opponent.
6. Make his elbow better. -1 on hit, and 4 on counter is really bad. While + is a really good alternative, still.
7. Better/faster/more (mid) half-circulars or more/better tools to make an opponent side-turned. OR make unduckable (lol).
8. Make + 16 frames or make all jabs 12 frames.
9. Make camera of + more consistent.
10. Make like Taka's +... this alone could make a huuuuge difference.
11. Either make + faster, or give Jeffry a catch throw with the range of his old Threat +.

Jeffry has a lot of holes, but he is not Lei-Fei (lol). And he isn't too bad, maybe it is because I'm biased, but he feels the most comfortable.

You just need to play better. (and if you need to win, pick Taka... no joke)

 

So do you disagree with the tier list that Lei Fei is higher than Jeffry? I'm still going to use Lei regardless, I'm just curious is all.

Nevertheless, it's good to see that even bottom tier characters can make it far in tournaments, based on the charts that akai posted. However, I notice a lot of them getting as far as semis, but far fewer moving on to finals and/or winning. Maybe these characters have poor match-ups against the upper tiers?

Either way, it's not so disheartening that any of the characters seem "bad," just "not good enough." Then again, I only think a character is "bad" when they have virtually no hope of winning at a high level, so take that as you will.

 

Thanks Sebo and I agree with your points. Taka IS my secondary character so I will use him sometimes. However, I used Jeffry in VF4EVO and so I have no reason not to use him in this game, I have to work harder then some other characters but so be it. Come at me brah!

 

It's not much different to compare the rest of casts who don't belong to S or SS rank.

 

Sucks Sarah is low tiered again, oh well though...

 

As a Taka player, Sarah is one of the hardest characters to fight against for me. I always have trouble against Sarah and Jacky because they get crazy damage on Taka.

 

Well that's good to know, at least she has some upside then

 

It's up to us to make him look strong again...

For real though, Jeffry without Splash Mountain, Sega was setting him up for failure straight up...

 

I gotta strange feeling Jeffry is better than this.. the tiers is on based on usages after all right? Cause im quite sure this Guy is still freaking beastly being that he has more options to combo off of.. Stop complaining and just put time into him.. The vids i see still proves this guy is a powerhouse.