Ask a Ninja: Kagemaru General Question Thread

Ultimate Showdown have the exact same game system as Final Showdown, but with a graphics update. So Kage should play exactly the same.

 

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In VF5US Kage, and all the characters, play identical to the VF5FS version. And although the customisations have been very bare bones on initial release, they have announced a future update to either re-introduce and/or add new costumes and items.

 

If it's just for Kage, then this forum is fine.

 

Generally speaking, both moves require a Counter Hit (CH) to yield any reward, because on Normal Hit they just provide you with some advantage.

The usual way to score a CH is when you have enough advantage so that slower attacks, like 2_3P (15f) or 46K (17f), will beats their fastest attack (usually a P or 2P). To keep things simple, let's just worry about an opponent trying to spam with 2P (12 frames) from disadvantage.

So, to beat a 12f low punch you'll need at least +3 for the 2_3P, or +5 for the 46K, to CH. You can usually gain these advantages when your own attacks hit or you guard your opponent's attacks.

The textbook answer to when you should use 2_3P vs 46K lies within how much advantage you have, and you can consult the VFDC Command Lists for all frame data. However, there are other considerations where you might use one over the other that are match-up specific, and that is when your opponent starts to use Sabakis and/or Reversals from disadvantage, in order to steal their turn.

For example, let's say you just hit your opponent with PK, putting you at +4 advantage. From here you could continue pressure with, say 2_3P, which would beat their fastest attack attempt. But, if your opponent has a mid punch Sabaki, then they could use that beat your 2_3P to steal their turn. Then, your counter to that would be to 46K instead of 2_3P, scoring your a CH in the process with a nice combo to followup. Pulling off reads like that can be really satisfying!

 

Sounds like you might be entering 2P too quickly. Try to slow it down a tad? Also, which character(s) are you having trouble with?