Back Crumples

I pulled this from the 'System' page:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Back Crumple

Typically caused by a mid attack to the opponent's back.

During a Back Crumple:

* the opponent is vulnerable to all attacks, although some high attacks may whiff
* the opponent is vulnerable to Low Back Throws

After a Back Crumple, the opponent is knocked down in the Face Down, Feet Towards position.

Example: Most Sidekicks or an Offensive Move /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif to the opponent's back causes a Back Crumple.</div></div>


Can anyone elaborate on this? Other than testing each move, is there a way to discern which moves will achieve this and which will not?


<u>Moves currently submitted to give back crumples</u>

Akira: /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif
Aoi:
Brad: /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif
Eileen:
El Blaze:
Goh:
Jacky:
Jeffry: /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif
Kage: /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif
Lau:
Lei: /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif
Lion: /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif
Pai:
Sarah: STEP /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif
Shun:
Vanessa:
Wolf: /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif

All characters: OM /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif (?)

 

Not really. Basic sidekicks and OM K usually need mc or MC to side / backcrumple.

Aside from the usual CH sidekick or OM K there are a couple of others per character that also cause side/backcrumple. I only remember a few though.

Lei: b,f,f+P+K
Jeff: f,f+K
Sarah: STEP K
Akira: b,f,f+P+K

Well, that's it actually. Those I'm sure of. Compiling a list might be a good idea.

(Now that I think about it mentioning the ability to cause side/backcrumples would be good on the movelist page.)

 

Alright, well while we discuss it, anyone else who wants to post any moves of which they know cause a back crumple can do so, and I'll put them into the first post.

 

I find with lei fei back crumples to be a little frustrating, as he has (that i know of) know real good strong combos to do against a back crumple opponent. Actually, an opponent is much more vulnerable in a side crumple vs lei than a back crumple. WTF. It would be nice if they gave every character a back crumple combo, to just add another layer of skill, depth, and dedication to masters of their character. It seems like the one or two moves i am left to do to a back crumple opponent with lei should cause extra damage. Do people think it would be OP for a move vs back crumple opponent to do 1.5X damage

 

also a fantastic back crumple, or at least set up for back crumple---and akira player can weigh in. Is when opponent is doing a rising and the akira user does his punch then sidestep move. I don't quite remember what next but it puts akira right behind u to back crumple. Akira users please clarify the sequence.

 

Sometimes I feel like characters without low throws are banged in the ass when trying to do decent combos. Characters with low throws just come and get some whoop-ass damage done for a single input.

IIRC most characters had a P+K+G back low throw in Evo (Akira & Sarah at least) but not anymore.

As for that Akira set-up he can also do uramawari with 2/3 DLC but it's hard.

 

Ev2 good idea, i never even thought to look for this property of a move. I'll look in eileen's move list to see what she has, but I'm pretty sure just her OMK will crumple.

 

I think Goh's /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif does...

 

i think lei fei's 466pk does as well.

 

All the moves in my post do on normal hit.

It seems like the trend is that if it's not a basic sidekick or OM K then it doesn't need counter.

I have a bit of doupt on that Goh one since it is his basic sidekick and I have a faint memory of getting staggers instead of crumples on people who decided to crouch in sideturn situation (no counter hit).
But I'm not 100% sure of myself in this case and unfortunately I can't test now since I've a train to catch soon.

EDIT: IIRC Wolf and Jeff df+K does not cause crumple (though Wolfs basic sidekick b+K still does on counter). I know Jeff has something else than just f,f+K but I just can't remember which.

 

I didn't know about the editing thing; I guess you'll have to deal with it then, Myke. Just don't make any grammatical errors because, if you do, I'll set an angry Jeff on you.