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Backstagger Recovery?

Discussion in 'Junky's Jungle' started by ken, Feb 26, 2002.

  1. ken

    ken Well-Known Member

    After doing the 90% backstagger combo with Lei-Fei hundreds of times against the CPU in Kumite..

    I've noticed that sometimes the CPU manages to stay on the ground after the first after the back stagger part.

    (TR)[DM]P+K - f, f+K - d+PKG, <font color=orange>K</font color=orange> ....

    somehow the combo stays grounded and recovers to avoid the combo.

    Is this a glitch or a defensive struggle technique? Its very rare it only occurs 1/20 times. It could be my consistency with the combo or the computer actually struggles out.

    Anyone like to confirm?
  2. CreeD

    CreeD Well-Known Member

    offtopic but also sorta similar.... what's the deal with wall combos when this happens:

    training mode, computer doesn't block: sgpm (wall stagger), yoho is a combo according to the official "combometer" (TM James Chen, all rights reserved)

    training mode, the computer is told to block: sgpm, yoho is guarded every single time.

    Is the wall animation strugglable?
    Is the combometer stupid?
    What's up?
  3. Tetra

    Tetra Well-Known Member

    i struggled out of the backstagger combo twice. i think my opponent wasn't slow cos he did the combo alot of times.

    it's really hard anyway...
  4. Myke

    Myke Administrator Staff Member Content Manager Kage

    wall staggers

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the wall stagger strugglable? You get the red wiggling joystick right? If so, then that's why the followup can be blocked.

    I don't know how to explain why it registers as a combo when the CPU is told not to block. It might be because the CPU doesn't attempt to struggle when told not to guard. It then registers as a "true combo" because the opportunity to guard after the first hit never arose. In the case of the stagger, if they don't struggle, then of course they won't get that chance to guard, and so the whole thing is considered a combo.
  5. uk-guy

    uk-guy Well-Known Member

    Re: wall staggers

    Wall staggers are struggable, as are back staggers. Watch the replay match Between Kyasao Kage and and v.good Lau player in the PS2 replay CD-Rom. Kage does f+P+G - f+P back stagger and the Lau player managed to block the harder to struggle out of f+K+G (as opposed to uf+K+G). You basically have to spaz on the buttons with circular joystick motions then hold back and guard.

    There were plenty of people getting out of Jeffrys db+P+G wall hit combo follow-ups when I was watching matches in Japan.

    Learning to struggle properly is easily as important as leaning how to pull of combos and stuff, just ask Hatim...

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