Basara

You can still hold back after P+K+G in SPoD but seems like you can hold it for longer in Basara seeing as you can enter all the inputs slower. This could just all be in my head though, is there any way of testing out how fast both these moves can be inputted?

 

Sorry for the delayed response;

Ahem, but both are 20 frame mids. I feel as if Vanessa's DS /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif is slow than Jeffry's /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif, and as a result I don't use it as often, but they're still the same speed and what I feel is wrong.

As for the timing for the follow up hits; that's irrelevant. Practice made it so I have no difficulty performing either, and I can say the same for other players that expand their base of sub characters.

I mean, there are numerous things in this game that are the same frames but you wouldn't necessarily see it as such, but... ??????? *long, tense pause that adds emphasis*

What are we trying to get at?

"I perceive Jeffry's /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif to be very painful for him to perform, and..."

 

We have a discussion with my comrade:is the Basara just frame move?-About command input wrote: P+K+G, then press 43P+K DURING HIT...but P+K+G has Act(hit phase)=1fr.

 

Its definitely not a just frame attack. You can buffer the inputs for the Basara combo.

 

I think that "buffer" 43P+K simple ends at the same time as P+K+G hits an opponent, so you think you can buffering this.

 

FSV of very easily == repeatedly walking back and forth between the tv and computer tweaking the programming of the timing /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

Seriously though, I'll add it to the list.

 

Fastest spod input timing won't get you basara.

Slowest basara input timing won't get you spod.

It feels like there is a timing which will give you both.

Just my sense of things.

 

Is the basara possible after the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif, this attack seems to cause staggering to the crouched opponent but I'm not sure that the basara has enough range to catch the opponent.
Actually I perform my basara "from nowhere" using surprise when my opponent is lowering his guard.

Does the basara bringin more damage than /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif after /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif ?
I know that low throw can be countered but since opponents always try to counter tsukami, the other one is a good and safe choice

 

If your /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif hits at max distance your Basara will be too short. Otherwise it's a good (although dangerous) option if you think they might abare or duck to avoid a throw. It's not guaranteed though if that's what your asking.

As for the other question, hit up dojo mode and keep this page open (or print it out if your PC isn't near your xbox):
http://virtuafighter.com/wiki/doku.php?id=vf5:goh:black_book_combos
It'll give you all the answers you need for the best combos and which does more damage (you can see the damage in dojo mode).

 

I just tested this. You can buffer the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif as fast as you want after /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif. Just input the two first commands as fast as you want. However, you cant press the last command /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif or /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif until the second attack has hit.

Actually, the last attack might qualify as a just-frame attack, as it needs to be inputted when the second attack hits. Although theres still couple frames window to do it I think.

 

Then, is the Akira's SPoD the same input mechanic(simple buffering all elements of this move)?

And also i really want to know why Basara<<SPoD:
-SPoD is possible to opponent's back; Basara is not launch.
-SPoD is Mid range; Basara is Close range.
-SPoD can be performed from Back-Turned position: Basara can not.
...all other characteristics is the same. So why Basara really sucks as compared with SPoD (imho)?

 

Because Akira hits HARD!(?)

 

You can't do SPoD to an opponents back, only the side and the front.

And if Basara input is same as SPoD then it shouldn't matter when you press the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif//forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif... You can enter it all at fastest input.

 

Yes you can Spod an opponent with their back turned. You couldn't in vf4 evo in final tuned they addressed that.

 

You sure about this Jide?! Just tried in dojo and I get the side and front 100% but doesn't work to their back at all.

 

No SPoD to the back.

 

With the last /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif of the Basara I usually have to mash it or it won't come out. If I just do the whole thing fastest input, I only get the first two hits and Goh never does the slam. If I do the first two inputs at my fastest speed and then mash 6P, I'll get the whole thing.

 

Another thing about Sugata's post...

SPoD isn't mid range right? I'd say it's close just like Goh's Basara.

 

I always do it all as fast as I can and it works fine.

Only thing I can think of that could make a difference is that I always go neutral between inputs so I do 43P+K,5,6P at the end.