big ass kage combo stuff

Kage big ass combo guide.

I’ve updated the Kage faq and it should be up soon. In the meantime here is an updated list of Kage combos (TFT list is up in another thread) including version C changes, enjoy!

Quick combo key note:
mC = Minor Counter hit
MC = Major Counter hit
CS = Closed Stance
OS = Open Stance
AS = Any Stance
* = Easy to pull-off
** = Moderately difficult to pull-off
*** = Difficult to pull-off
Numbers designate damage in points
(All combos are guaranteed non-QR/TR after first hit)

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df+P combos:
df+P - P - d+P+K,K
[Doable on everyone, mC AS 48 *]
df+P - P - f,d,df+P
[Doable on everyone, mC AS 48 *]
df+P - FC, f+K
[Doable on everyone, mC OS 46 *]
df+P - P - ub+K+G
[Doable on everyone, mC CS 54 *]

Vs Akira:
df+P - P - d+P - DP
[mC AS * 50]
df+P - db+PKG - ub+K+G
[MC CS 65~73 *]
df+P - d+P+K - DP
[MC AS 66 *]

Vs Aoi
df+P - P - d+P+K - DP
[mC AS 55 *]
df+P - db+PKG - ub+K+G
[mC CS 65 *]
df+P - db+PPb+PK
[MC AS 63 *]
df+P - P - db+PKG - ub+K+G
[MC CS 67~73 *]
df+P - P - b+P - d+P+K,K
[MC CS 66 *]
df+P - P - b+P - DP
[MC CS 69 *]
df+P - P - f+K+G - ub+K+G
[MC OS 75 *]

Vs Jacky
df+P - P - d+P - DP
[mC AS 50 *]
df+P - db+PKG - ub+K+G
[mC CS 57 *]
df+P - P - d+P+K - DP
[MC AS 68 *]
df+P - P - db+PKG - ub+K+G
[MC CS 67~73 *]

Vs Jeffry
df+P - P - ub+K+G
[mC CS 54 *]
df+P - P - d+P+K,K
[mC AS 48 *]
df+P - P - d+P - DP
[MC AS 63 *]
df+P - db+PKG - ub+K+G
[MC CS 73 *]

Vs Kage
df+P - db+PKG - ub+K+G
[mC CS 65 *]
df+P - P - d+P+K - DP
[mC/MC AS 60/63 *]
df+P - P - db+PKG - ub+K+G
[MC CS 67~73 *]
df+P - db+PPb+PK
[MC AS 63 *]
df+P - f+K+G - DP
[MC OS 69 *]

Vs Lau
df+P - P - d+P+K - DP
[mC/MC AS 60/63 *]
df+P - db+PKG - ub+K+G
[mC/MC CS 65/67 *]

Vs Lei-Fei
df+P - d+P+K - d+P+K,K
[mC/MC AS 56/60 *]
df+P - P - d+P+K - DP
[mC/MC AS 55/63 *]
df+P - P - db+PKG - ub+K+G
[mC/MC CS 65/67 *]
df+P - f+K+G - DP
[MC OS 64 *]
df+P - f+K+G - ub+K+G
[MC OS 67 ** (note: this combo is not very reliable hence two stars)]

Vs Lion
df+P - d+P+K - d+P+K,K
[mC/MC AS 56/60 *]
df+P - P - d+P+K - DP
[mC/MC AS 55/63 *]
df+P - P - db+PKG - ub+K+G
[mC/MC CS 65/67~73 *]
df+P - f+K+G - DP
[MC OS 69 *]
df+P - f+K+G - ub+K+G
[MC OS 72 ** (note: unreliable)]

Vs Pai
df+P - d+P+K - d+P+K,K
[mC/MC AS 56/60 *]
df+P - P - d+P+K - DP
[mC/MC AS 55/63 *]
df+P - P - db+PKG - ub+K+G
[mC/MC CS 59/67 *]
df+P - f+K+G - DP
[MC OS 72 *]
df+P - f+K+G - ub+K+G
[MC OS 75 *]

Vs Sarah
df+P - P - d+P+K - DP
[mC/MC AS 55/63 *]
df+P - P - db+PKG - ub+K+G
[mC/MC CS 65/67~73 *]
df+P - f+K+G - DP
[MC OS 72 *]
df+P - f+K+G - ub+K+G
[MC OS 75 *]

Vs Shun
df+P - P - d+P+K - DP
[mC/MC AS 55/63 *]
df+P - P - db+PKG - ub+K+G
[mC/MC CS 65/67~73 *]
df+P - f+K+G - DP
[MC OS 72 *]
df+P - f+K+G - ub+K+G
[MC OS 75 *]

Vs Wolf
df+P - P - d+P - DP
[mC/MC AS 55/58 *]
df+P - db+PKG - ub+K+G
[mC/MC CS 65/73 *]

Vs Vanessa
df+P - P - d+P+K - DP
[mC/MC AS 55/63 *]
df+P - P - db+PKG - ub+K+G
[mC/MC CS 59/67~73 *]
df+P - f+K+G - DP
[MC OS 72 *]
df+P - f+K+G - ub+K+G
[MC OS 75 *]

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FC,df+P combos:
(Note: All combos are guaranteed non-QR/TR after 1st hit)

Vs Akira
FC,f+P - P - d+P+K,K or DP
[MC CS 54 *]
FC,f+P - PPK
[MC CS 46 *]
FC,f+P - P - FC,f+P
[MC OS 42 **]

Vs Aoi
FC,f+P - P - d+P+K,K/DP
[mC/MC CS 47/54 *]
FC,f+P - b+PK
[MC OS 55 *]

Vs Jacky
FC,f+P - P - d+P+K,K or DP
[MC CS 54 *]
FC,f+P - PPK
[MC CS 46 *]

Vs Jeffry
No combos guaranteed, however FC,f+P - PPK is useful against Jeffry. Just automatically do PP if the FC,f+P connects, if the jabs connected finish off with K. If Jeffry tech-rolled, don’t.

Vs Kage
FC,f+P - PP-delay-K
[mC CS 45 *]
FC,f+P - P - FC,f+P
[mC OS 37 ***]
FC,f+P - P - d+P+K,K or DP
[MC CS 54 *]
FC,f+P - b+PK
[MC OS 59 *]

Vs Lau
FC,f+P - PP-delay-K
[mC CS 45 *]
FC,f+P - P - d+P+K,K or DP
[MC CS 54 *]
FC,f+P - P - FC,f+P
[MC OS 37 ***]

Vs Lion
FC,f+P - PPK
[mC CS 45 *]
FC,f+P - P - FC,f+P
[mC OS 37 ***]
FC,f+P - P - d+P+K,K or DP
[MC CS 54 *]
FC,f+P - b+P - PPK
[MC OS 63 *]

Vs Lei-Fei
FC,f+P - P - d+P+K,K or DP
[mC/MC CS 47/54 *]
FC,f+P - b+PK
[MC OS 59 *]

Vs Pai
FC,f+P - P - d+P+K,K or DP
[mC/MC CS 45/54 *]
FC,f+P - P - FC,f+P
[MC OS 37 ***]
FC,f+P - b+PK
[MC OS 55 ***]

Vs Sarah
FC,f+P - P - d+P+K,K
[mC/MC CS 47/54 *]
FC,f+P - P - DP
[mC/MC AS 47/54 *]

Vs Shun
FC,f+P - P - d+P+K,K
[mC/MC CS 51/54 *]
FC,f+P - P - DP
[mC/MC AS 53/54 *]
FC,f+P - b+PK
[MC OS 59 *]
FC,f+P - b+P - PPK
[MC OS 65 *]

Vs Wolf
FC,f+P - PPK
[MC AS 52 *]
FC,f+P - P - d+P+K,K
[MC OS 60 *]

Vs Vanessa
FC,f+P - P - d+P+K,K
[mC/MC CS 47/54 *]
FC,f+P - b+PK
[MC OS 59 *]

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f+K+G combos (must connect in close range, hold forward for P to connect on some combos)
f+K+G - f,d,df+P
[Doable on everyone, mC/MC AS 48/60 *]
f+K+G - d+P+K,K
[Doable on everyone, mC/MC AS 53/65 *]
f+K+G - db+PPK
[Doable on everyone, mC/MC CS 56/68 *]
f+K+G - b+PK
[Doable on everyone, mC/MC CS 57/69 *]
f+K+G - P - d+P+K,K or DP
[Doable on everyone, mC/MC CS 57/69 *]
f+K+G - P - FC,f+K
[Doable on everyone, mC/MC CS 62/74 **]
f+K+G - P - f+K+G - DP
[Upto Akira, mC/MC CS 66/78 **]
f+K+G - P - f+K+G - ub+K+G
[LightWeights, mC/MC 68/80 **]

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uf+K+G combos:

Vs Akira
uf+K+G - d+P - DP
[mC/MC AS 58/73 *]

Vs Aoi
uf+K+G - d+P - db+PPK
[mC/MC AS 61/76 *]
uf+K+G - d+P - b+PK
[mC/MC OS 63/78 *]

Vs Jacky
uf+K+G - d+P - DP or d+P+K,K
[mC/MC AS 58/73 *]
uf+K+G - d+P - b+PK
[mC/MC OS 63/78 *]

Vs Jeffry
uf+K+G - f,d,df+P
[mC/MC AS 45/60 *]
uf+K+G - ub+K+G
[mC/MC OS 49/64 *]

Vs Kage
uf+K+G - d+P - DP
[mC/MC AS 58/73 *]
uf+K+G - d+P - b+PK
[mC/MC OS 63/78 *]

Vs Lau
uf+K+G - d+P - DP
[mC/MC AS 58/73 *]
uf+K+G - d+P - b+PK
[mC/MC OS 63/78 *]

Vs Lei-Fei
uf+K+G - d+P - DP
[mC/MC AS 58/73 *]
uf+K+G - d+P - f+P+K,P+K
[mC/MC CS 58/73 *]
uf+K+G - d+P - b+PK
[mC/MC OS 63/78 *]


Vs Lion
uf+K+G - d+P - db+PPK
[mC/MC AS 61/76 *]
uf+K+G - d+P - b+PK
[mC/MC OS 63/78 *]

Vs Pai
uf+K+G - d+P - DP
[mC/MC AS 58/73 *]
uf+K+G - d+P - b+PK
[mC/MC OS 63/78 *]

Vs Sarah
uf+K+G - d+P - DP
[mC/MC AS 58/73 *]
uf+K+G - d+P - b+PK
[mC/MC OS 63/78 *]

Vs Shun
uf+K+G - d+P - d+P+K,K
[mC/MC AS 58/73 *]
uf+K+G - d+P - db+PPK
[mC/MC AS 61/76 *]
uf+K+G - d+P - b+PK
[mC/MC OS 63/78 *]

Vs Wolf
uf+K+G - f,d,df+P
[mC/MC AS 45/60 *]
uf+K+G - ub+K+G
[mC/MC OS 49/64 *]

Vs Vanessa
uf+K+G - d+P - DP
[mC/MC AS 58/73 *]
uf+K+G - d+P - b+PK
[mC/MC OS 63/78 *]

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b,b+K+G combos (or after Run,K or [BT] d+K:
b,b+K+G - [BT] d+K
[MC AS 42 *]
b,b+K+G - d | u | B or G - f,d,df+P
[MC AS 46 *]
b,b+K+G - d | u | B or G - b+K+G
[MC AS 46 *]
b,b+K+G - d | u | B or G - df+K+G
[MC AS 48 *]
b,b+K+G - u+P
[MC AS 56 *]

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b,b+K combos, require MC hit.
b,b+K -> PKG -> ub+K+G (OS) | d+P+K,K | [BT] PPK

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QCF+K Combos’s (work after a charged MC kick)
QCF+K - [BT] PPb+PK
[MW]
QCF+K - [BT] PKG - d+P+K,K | f,d,df+P | ub+K+G (stance dependant?)

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f,b+K MC combos:
f,b+K - P - ub+K+G
[CS 83 *]
f,b+K - P - d+P+K,K or DP
[CS 77 *]
f,b+K - PPPb+K
[CS 78 *]
f,b+K - db+PPPK
[CS 81 *]
f,b+K - d+P - d+P+K,K
[OS 76 *]
f,b+K - d+P - DP
[OS 76~82 *]
f,b+K - PPb+PK
[LW MC OS 81 *]
f,b+K - db+PPb+PK
[LW MC CS 84 *]
f,b+K - P - b+P - d+P+K,K or DP
[LW MC CS 85 *]

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b,f+K MC combos:
b,f+K - [BT] PKG - ub+K+G
[MC CS 84 *]
b,f+K - [BT] PKG - P - ub+K+G
[LW MC CS 86 *]
b,f+K - [BT] PPb+PK
[MC CS 82 *]
b,f+K - [BT] PPPb+K
[MC OS 79 *]
b,f+K - [BT] PKG - d+P+K,K
[MC AS 78 *]

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Rising Knee MC combo hits:
FC,f+K - DP
[LW, AS]
FC,f+K - ub+K+G
[LW, CS]

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[BT] P+K,K combos:

Vs Akira
[BT] P+K,K - K,G - f+K+G - DP
[MC OS 73 **]
[BT] P+K,K - b,b - u+P
[MC AS 71 *]

Vs Aoi
[BT] P+K,K - K,G - f+K+G - ub+K+G
[MC OS 76 **]
[BT] P+K,K - K,G - f+K+G - DP
[MC AS 73 *]

Vs Jacky
[BT] P+K,K - K,G - f+K+G - DP
[MC OS 73 **]
[BT] P+K,K - b,b - u+P
[MC AS 71 *]

Vs Jeffry
[BT] P+K,K - K,G - f+K+G - df+K
[MC OS 71 **]
[BT] P+K,K - b,b - u+P
[MC AS 71 *]

Vs Kage
[BT] P+K,K - K,G - f+K+G - DP
[MC OS 73 **]
[BT] P+K,K - b,b - u+P
[MC AS 71 *]

Vs Lau
[BT] P+K,K - K,G - f+K+G - DP
[MC OS 73 **]
[BT] P+K,K - b,b - u+P
[MC AS 71 *]

Vs Lei-Fei
[BT] P+K,K - K,G - f+K+G - DP
[MC OS 73 **]
[BT] P+K,K - b,b - u+P
[MC AS 71 *]

Vs Lion
[BT] P+K,K - K,G - f+K+G - DP
[MC AS 73 *]
[BT] P+K,K - b,b - u+P
[MC AS 71 *]

Vs Pai
[BT] P+K,K - K,G - f+K+G - ub+K+G
[MC OS 76 **]
[BT] P+K,K - K,G - f+K+G - DP
[MC AS 73 *]

Vs Sarah
[BT] P+K,K - K,G - f+K+G - ub+K+G
[MC OS 76 **]
[BT] P+K,K - K,G - f+K+G - DP
[MC AS 73 *]

Vs Shun
[BT] P+K,K - K,G - f+K+G - DP
[MC AS 73 *]
[BT] P+K,K - b,b - u+P
[MC AS 71 *]

Vs Wolf
[BT] P+K,K - K,G - f+K+G - df+K
[MC OS 71 **]
[BT] P+K,K - b,b - u+P
[MC AS 71 *]

Vs Vanessa
[BT] P+K,K - K,G - f+K+G - ub+K+G
[MC AS 76 *]
[BT] P+K,K - K,G - f+K+G - DP
[MC AS 73 *]

Miscellaneous [BT] P+K,K combos:
[BT] P+K,K - QCF+K
[MC AS 51 *]
[BT] P+K,K - b,f+K - [BT] d+K
[TR/QR will avoid [BT] d+K, MC AS 56(67) *]
[BT] P+K,K - u+P
[MC AS 66 *]
[BT] P+K,K - df+K+G
[MC AS 58 *]
[BT] P+K,K - K,G (or dodge, cruch dash) - FC,f+K - f,d,df+P
[TR/QR will avoid DP, MC AS 60(75) **]
[BT] P+K,K - b+K+G - ub+K+G | DP
[TR/QR will avoid anything after b+K+G, MC AS 56(71/75) *]
[BT] P+K,K - uf+K+G - DP
[TR/QR will avoid the DP, MC AS 56(71) *]
[BT] P+K,K - K,G - b+P - f,d,df+P | b+K+G
[TR/QR will avoid anything after b+P, MC AS 49(64) *]
[BT] P+K,K - HCF+DP
[MC AS 56 *]
[BT] P+K,K - HCB,HCF or HCF,HCF+P+K+G
[MC AS 61 * (As always any combo with f,f+P+K+G is risky]
[BT] P+K,K - f,f+K+G
[MC AS 58 *]
[BT] P+K,K - f,f+P+K+G
[MC AS 56 *]
[BT] P+K,K - f,f - ub+K+G
[MC AS 60 *]
[BT] P+K,K - f,f - d+P+K,K
[MC AS 65 *]
[BT] P+K,K - f,f - d+K+G
[MC AS 56 *]

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[JM] f+K MC - [JM] f+K
[JM] f+K MC - [JM] PKK

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[JM] K+G mc/MC - [JM] PKK
[Not on Akira, Wolf Jeffry]
[JM] K+G mc/MC - DP
[JM] K+G mc/MC - df+K+G
[JM] K+G mc/MC - ub+K+G

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[JM] P+K mC/MC - [JM] PK
[Jeffry only]
[JM] P+K mC/MC - [JM] PKK
[Wolf only]
[JM] P+K mC/MC - d+P+K,K
[JM] P+K mC/MC - DP
[JM] P+K mC/MC - df+K+G
[JM] P+K mC/MC - ub+K+G

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[JM] P+K+G sidekick reverse combos:
(Note: for combo srequiring [JM] d/u stance dodge, you must dodge towards Kage or Opponents FRONT FOOT!)
[JM] P+K+G sidekick reverse - [JM] d/u - d+K+G
[70 *]
[JM] P+K+G sidekick reverse - [JM] d/u - df+K+G
[75 *]
[JM] P+K+G sidekick reverse - [JM] d/u - ub+K+G
[78 *]
[JM] P+K+G sidekick reverse - [JM] d/u- DPK (or G - HCF,DPK!)
[86 *]
[JM] P+K+G sidekick reverse - G - b,f+K
[70 *]
[JM] P+K+G sidekick reverse - G - K,G - FC,f+K
[78 **]
[JM] P+K+G sidekick reverse - G - f+K+G - d+P+K,K
[93 *]
[JM] P+K+G sidekick reverse - G - uf+K+G - ub+K+G
[Vs Jeffry and Wolf 89 *]
[JM] P+K+G sidekick reverse - G - uf+K+G - d+P - DP
[Vs Akira 104 *]
[JM] P+K+G sidekick reverse - G - uf+K+G - d+P - b+PK
[Everyone but Jeff/Wolf/Akira 103 *]
[JM] P+K+G sidekick reverse - G - f,f - df+P - P - d+P+K,K
[Vs Jeffry 88 **]
[JM] P+K+G sidekick reverse - G - f,f - df+P - P - d+P - DP
[Vs Akira/Wolf/Jacky 90~95 **]
[JM] P+K+G sidekick reverse - G - f,f - df+P - P - d+P+K - DP
[Vs MW upto Lau (NOT Jacky) 95~100 **]
[JM] P+K+G sidekick reverse - f,f - [JM] P+K (hold P+K) or K+G - G - df+K+G
[95~100 *]

[JM] P+K+G sidekick reverse combos (near wall), no need to dash forward:
[JM] P+K+G sidekick reverse - G - uf+K+G - d+P - b+PK (wall hit) - df+K+G
[Everyone but Jeff/Wolf/Akira 120! *]
[JM] P+K+G sidekick reverse - G - df+P - db+PPb+P - u+P
[101 *]
[JM] P+K+G sidekick reverse - G - df+P - db+PPK - df+K+G
[104 *]

end

 

> FC,f+P

why is the hack listed as this? if you do f+P from crouch you'll get the elbow. you need to do FC, df+P.

 

sorry it was listed as FC,df+P at the top of the hack combo list, and then I stupidly cut and pasted it as FC,f+P for the combo list, doh!

 

Hey Mo, I was just curious about something.

Minor counters, afaik, are essentially normal hits (white hit effect) that carry a damage modifier since they occur during recovery; but they give no special float bonus, right?

So in a doucument like this, seems like you could save yourself from having to write all those "mC"s since mCs act just like normal hits in terms of float properties.

If I'm wrong about this, let me know.

Spotlite

 

I just wanted to differentiate mC/MC hits. For example Kage vs Akira, If I block Akira's bodycheck (b,f,f+P+K) I can mC hit Akira and do df+P - P - d+P - DP guaranteed. However if I'd MC Akira I have the opportunity to pull off a more damaging combo like df+P - P - db+PKG - ub+K+G. That is why I think it can be useful to provide mC and MC combos.

Lastly even though mC could be regarded as a 'normal' I do think there are some unique properties. For example Jacky's df+PPP all connects in a mC situation, but you can block/duck the last P on a normal (or sometimes MC!) hit...weird.

 

For example Jacky's df+PPP all connects in a mC situation

Tested this out a couple of weeks ago, this no longer seems to work (at least on the PS2 ver.C version).

 

The change to df+PPP in Ver C is a good thing IMO...
I keep getting the old PK-pounce (from VF2.0) taste in my mouth when I see the flop over animation.
Ack, Pai's KK-pounce is the same thing... but I can live with it.

 

""Pai's KK-pounce is the same thing... but I can live with it.""


god Jimbo....try Aoi's kk...ground throw(I cannot remember what it is called..u know...she grabs ur leg..then breaks it into a few million pieces)...after that...depending on how u get up...Aoi can very easily continue with her U+K+G pounce...
massive damage....

 

Ick... I figured there was something like that for Aoi, but I didn't want to speculate without seeing it for myself... I get more irritated about the scrubbliness of Jacky's df+PPP and Pai's KK than that string for Aoi. Not many scrubs will go for a ground throw...

None of this is that bad IMO... just a little grating sometimes.

 

Well..the only way for d/f+ppp to all connect successfully is to immediately hit the opponent after guarding a 'heavy attack'

For example : Akira does a double palm...Jacky guards it..n in order for d/f+ppp to all connect...U MUST immediately hit Akira before he begins to recover. That way..all three hits will connect.

 

No. The third P in Jacky's LS combo is NOT guaranteed on mC in ver.C. Go try out the scenario you described with a friend on a PS2, you'll see what I mean.

 

That's exactly what I did n it worked~

 

Actually, let me change the scenario somewhat... Akira's doublepalm is -12f, Jacky's LS is 13f ex, so in that example you gave, the first P won't even hit.

Akira's shoulderram is -13f. The first two P's in the LS combo are guaranteed on mC, but the third can be blocked. If you are trying it and it seems to be guaranteed, try releasing G and repressing it after the first hit.


P.S. UK Guy, sorry for hijacking the Kage thread with a debate about Jacky =( Many thanks for posting all the Kage combos and associated damages

 

Actually..I'll admit that the double palm was a poor ass example on my behalf....
I just needed an example of a 'heavy attack'...his double palm came straight into my mind for some unknown reason haha!

Anyway..I got other things to discuss with u...icq~~~~~~

 

Okay, my apologies for the confusion. Did more testing of Jacky's LS as an mC tool with Nengli last night. Seems like the correct answer is somewhere in the middle =P

- LS executes in 13f. The entire string connects on MC. The third P is blockable on normal hit.
- When the LS is used to mC a -13f move (e.g. Akira's Shoulder Ram), the third P is blockable.
- When the LS is used to mC a -14f or slower recovery move (e.g. SPoD, Bodycheck, ESK, SJK), the entire string connects.

So this is somewhat odd in that there are different mC properties depending on the blocked move's recovery; I can't think of any other string in the game that makes this distinction...