Black Book Strategy

Topic - Black Book Vanessa
Author - Kurita
Source - Myke
Translation - Noodalls

Defensive - Basics from mid range
The basic move of defensive is middle kick /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif. Because she steps forward to do it, it has great range, and on top of that the total frames for the move are 40, meaning that even if it evaded it is hard to punish. Among the middle kicks in VF, this one is at the top of the class. Firstly, aim to hit this move at the tip of its range. When you do this and it is guarded it pushes back, so with a backdash or even a ARM backwards you can avoid your opponent's retaliatory moves.

- /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif on guard is -5, so with fuzzy you can duck under throws, and /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif will beat out moves 15 frames or greater.

One other important move is the attacks from standing /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif. At 12 frames the execution is on the slow side, but it has a continuation of /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif. Because of this, just by making them guard the move you are in an advantageous position. Against a fuzzy or ETEG you can crouch dash in towards them and go for a delayed throw. Agaisnt opponents who expect that, you can delay /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif and go for a counter.
Once you've gained advantage you can go for the moves mention below to attack. If you are disadvantaged, look to switch to the moves mentioned in that section.

- /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif after guard is -8. There are no guaranteed punishments, so going for sabaki moves like /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif or /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/db.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif will help.
- The mid string /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif from standing /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif is also strong. On normal hit it gives +3, and the forth hit is special high.

Defensive - Mindset at distance.
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif trumps /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif at distance to be the main move. The execution is slow at 21 frames, but it is a full circular mid move with superior reach to /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif so if you use it well your opponent won't be able to approach. While watching their actions, you can use it to interrupt them or to dash in with it, but don't get stale about using it. If you knock them down you have the opportunity to attack, or if they focus on defending you can dash in to throw.

- /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif is -8 on guard, but if you have it blocked at maximum range the risk is low as it spaces out. For opponent's who dash in to try to force a mixup, abare with /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif.

Defensive - Movelist options at advantage
The first move you want to learn is what could be called her main option in mixups, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif. The execution is 15 frames, so at +3 you can beat out your opponent's /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif, and at +5 you can beat out light weights opponent's standing /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif. On counter hit you can link to a hit throw, and a small down attack will also connect. Regarding /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif and /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif hit throws, from the instant the attack connects you have 12 frames to input the command, which is quite borad, so don't input it too quickly.
At +4, the 16 frame /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif is effective. In addition to having high damage, you can utilise the delay into the follow up moves to use it effectively. In addition to that, if you mix it up with /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif for evades to her back and /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif to her front, you can deal with ETEG quite well. There are also 16 frames, but when you include the command /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif becomes 17 easily. Also, when at range the opponent can fairly easily backdash these moves, so also include /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif and standing /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif in your options.
At +1~2the 13 frame while standing /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif is useful. However, when at +1 and you executed it from standing it will be beaten by the opponent's /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif. This is the time for /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif. If you can sabaki this, you can get /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif.

- /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif used correctly against the opponent's evade is powerful. However, it has small range and is easy to whiff, so be careful to only use it at close range.

Defensive Guaranteed Punishment
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif is the fastest punisher, but the return is small so you can also pressure with mixups. Where /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif is guaranteed a throw attempt is also. While standing /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif when done from standing is 14 frames. It gives +1 on hit.
Her options at -17 are strong. On a standing opponent /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif and on a crouching opponent /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif into hit throw. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gifhold /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/u.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif is 20 frames, but cannot be buffered. Use it against moves like Lau's /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif or other moves that leave them recovering for a long time.

Move - Disadvantage - Standing - Crouching
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -9 O X
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -12 O X
While standing /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -13 O O
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif -15 O O
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -16 O O
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -16 O O
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif -17 O X
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif -17 O O
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gifHold /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/u.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -20 O O

 

Thanks a lot,

Need to get my DS game up to scrap.

 

Tanks a lot for the translation, the Vanessa section of the black book is the largest of all the characters, so there is plenty of usefull info, keep it coming ^^.
I'll try posting the offensive combo stuff in a few weeks (working on Lion combos atm).
Imo the punishment section shows one of the weakness of Vanessa in def stance, you don't have good punishment damage until -15 -17, where a lot of char have P,K + advantage, standing palm moves, 10 frame punch string punishment with advantage (Eileen) etc
However since her throw game is strong, I guess you can always gamble for a throw at -12 to get good damage.

 

Thanks for the translation. Looking forward to the offensive stuff!

 

In defensive style i like to delay a lot /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif and mix up with switching style to offensive style /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif~/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif my pattern

1.Defensive style: /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif let see if the opponent do a evade start to delay it to find the CH attack

2.Defensive style: /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif Block or duck /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif then study how the opponent react . Later i try to post my strategies i play a lot with pc so when my friend visit me and gonna test this.

 

DS>>>>OS

<s>Anyone with 1337 nihongo skills and a black book have time for posting OS strats?</s>
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Fuck the above. After 2 months of Vanessa mashing I must conclude there is no reason why anyone should ever use OS over DS unless you want to fight a predictable uphill battle and want to rely on traditional defense only (fuck that) or are Japanese.

Good stuff Vanessa has in OS:

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif 11i
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif 14i elbow? +7 on CH, sets up tons of shit
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif legit 14i punishment akin to Lau/Akira/Goh/Wolf/Brad's
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif on hit your at +6, sets up tons of shit
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif 16i special high
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif fucking great
Intruder step mix ups (IS>Throw/low throw)
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Bad stuff:

Superfluous/situational strings (/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif only is useful on side hit)
Poor throw game
Linear as hell (other than /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif and that move sucks)
Range is limited compared to DS
Shitty low attacks
Can't play mind games while at small-large disadvantage
A catch throw that telegraphs like no other
Too many highs (duck and punish)
Lacks in high crush (only /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif and /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif)
Lacks in low crush (/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/db.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif and /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/uf.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif only work at +2 vs /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif)
NO INASHI/REVERSAL/SABAKI= NOT FUN

Playing OS is like Lau or Jeffry but at least they have damage and better throws.
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It's funny that no one got it... I mean if "NO INASHI/REVERSAL/SABAKI= NOT FUN" isn't a red flag you're retarded.

 

Re: DS>>>>OS

I agree on most of the stuff you posted but some other are kindah strange to me ex:

Superfluous/situational strings ( only is useful on side hit)

I don't see problem here, at least it has a use, and as you mentioned on side hit it's a great move, if opponent duck or attack he's in for the whole string leaving vanessa at +6 still side turned. In this situation 2+K string is is not interuptible which means even more side turned goodness ^^.


Range is limited compared to DS

You forgot to talk about 66+K in the good stuff, I really think this move should be mentioned. May be it's not as godly as DS 66+K but it's still one of her best move imo, and this lets you play with side turned situation quite often which is good imo. A lot of chars have to work harder to get thos situations, I think it's definitely a good thing OS Vane has. 66+P also have decent reach and awesome pushback on hit for wall setups, think of it has vanessa's equivalent of Lei's 66+P.

Can't play mind games while at small-large disadvantage

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif Why do you think she can't ?


On OS good stuff list I would have had garanteed P,K punishement at -11 one thing DS really lacks. Plus there's alot of options after it hits.


Strings I also really like are 6+P,P+K+G and 3+K,P+K+G it gives good +3 on hit which if you have good CD modifying makes DS ws uninterruptable, if you don't, 6+K-->hit throw will crush everything but stand P. On guard few opponents know/remember you're at advantage (+1) so you can often stop their retaliation with 2+P for a counter hit. Sure the second hit of those strings are highs but 3+K having a mid followup will force your opponent to think twice before crouching. Hit confirming those strings and doing the approiate flowchart is the key here, but it works a lot for me.
Os is more rushdown oriented, it may not have all the options of DS but it's a good alternative for getting close with the better stand P speed and fast mids.

 

Re: DS>>>>OS

OS Vanessa is good.

She has punishers for every situation thanks to /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif (used at +14 against HW), /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif and /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif. In DS she doesn't have anything worth shit until +16, and nothing GOOD until +17

She has VERY complete set of nitaku options. First, an elbow. Not one of the game's best, but it's there. ws /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif is 15f and an underrated move, the stagger on counter hit is REALLY good. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif and ws+K (from crouching) at 16 frames. and /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif and /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif at 17f (I tested this a few months ago and I think Black Book is incorrect at listing /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif as 16). With the variation in hit types here she is well equipped for handling characters with sabakis/reversals. Vanessa's nitaku in DS is really good in DS too with /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif and /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif, but is receiving damage nerf in Ver C.

There's nothing wrong at all with her range in OS, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif is only 15 frames and has great reach (this move is great on round starts, try it), HCF+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif is unexpectedly good from backdash, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif has great reach and tech crouches as a bonus. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif has terrific reach and has good followups. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif can also be used from a distance, (they've given this move crouch stagger in Ver C too, yay).

I don't understand how anyone could complain about the damage on OS Vanessa. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif gives in the 70's on every character, including LW.

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif is better for more reasons listed. First off, it's only 14 frames in execution. It's half circular, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif is a natural combo on all hits. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif is uninterruptable if the first move in the string is blocked, if you catch them crouching or low punching, hit confirm the last /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif for a stagger knockdown.

I think one of the biggest mistakes a Vanessa player can make is to base too much of their game on the "quirky" stuff in DS. This will only make you vulnerable in the long run. Sabakis (especially with the clash system)/reversals/inashis should strenghten your basic game, not be the basis of it. DS is strong, yes, but to say that there's no reason to ever use OS is incorrect.

 

Re: DS>>>>OS

Well even if you guys disagree with him Sebo definetly invigorated this thread. Great info fellas...Im starting to fall more in love with OS myself. It forces me to play solid rather than using just-frames and sabakis all day

 

Re: DS>>>>OS

Well, the biggest mistake is that there is hardly any info posted about OS Vanessa. OS has been supposedly overhauled since EVO, DS is more or less the same.

What are the other uses of /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif? What about /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/db.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif?

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif should be in there, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/uf.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif has some range as well (but can be ducked on reaction). But what else does she have?

Okay, what can she do?

TEACH US ALL!

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I find it funny that the only way we can ever have OS strats posted is if someone says it sucks.

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>OS blows</span>

<span style='font-size: 8pt'>post more please</span>

 

Wiki Strategy Article

I've recently updated the wiki with the begining of a Vanessa strategy page, not much for the moment, still, it contains an article inspired from the black book and my own testings on the usage of DS 4P near the wall. Check it out ^^:

http://virtuafighter.com/wiki/doku.php?id=vf5:vanessa:strategy

 

Re: Wiki Strategy Article

Very useful, good job! And congrats for Gnouz RB, I've seen the vids.... Hope to show you my vane next RB in december.