body lift throw quirkiness

The following is an exerpt from the throw escape guide I just posted:

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Jeffry
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high throw cmd damage notes
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b+P+G 35 00 w/ PQR, but this makes you vulnerable
to low throws (so start entering in low
throw escapes or you can eat the 35 pts
damage. the lesser of 2 evils IMO)
wall hit 20+ combo, QR to avoid ground throw
b+P+G,u 35+** 00 w/ PQR, not in danger of low throws
wall hit 20+ combo, QR NOT possible (start escaping
ground thows if no combo)
b+P+G,d 35+** 00 w/ PQR, not in danger of low throws
wall hit 20+ combo, QR NOT possible (start escaping
ground thows if no combo)

**the above 2 throws are interesting if
there is no wall hit and you miss the PQR.
if Jeffry throws you to your front side
(from the initial stance) you can avoid
a follow-up pounce or butt bomb by rising
in any direction. if Jeffry throws you to
your back side (from the initial stance)
you can only avoid the pounce by side
rolling to Jeffry's back (57 w/ pounce)
and you can NOT avoid a follow-up butt
bomb (63 pts) but there seems to be a bug
in training mode. the AI won't back roll
away from Jeffry when I do this throw to
the victim's back side. can you do a
rising back roll in this situation?
Does it escape a pounce or butt bomb?</pre></div></div>

Can anyone comment on this? If it is not possible to back roll away
from Jeff, he may have a 63 pt throw with b+P+G,u/d when his opponent
fails the perfect quick rise. This could change the priority of
what throws to try to escape most often vs. Jeff.

 

??? The opponent can quick rise or tech roll, the former of which is not exposed to low throws at all. Moreover the low throw is hardly guaranteed; the situation is not unlike when an opponent gets knocked down.

So...overall, I recommend never to go for /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif unless against a wall or to R.O. and to always go for HCB /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif instead.

 

I'm sure I was able to do a low throw to a quick rise after the b+P+G throw when I tested this. I believe I've read elsewhere that the initial part of a quick rise is also considered crouching. I'll double check it again. My point was that it might be better as the defender to not quick rise/tech roll and take the lesser 35 pts damage.

I agree that Jeff has better throw options, but that's not what my questions are about. I'm really curious about the AI not being able to back roll escape after the correct b+P+G,u/d

 

OK, thanks for the clarification Myke. It is[/size] possible to low throw a quick rise after the b+P+G, but the quick rising character can interrupt the throw or stand up quicker. This is the info that I wanted to flesh out for the quide. I'll amend that section for proper defense against this throw.

Ice-9, go check out training mode and set the AI to quick rise in place. All you need to do is forward dash after the b+P+G and the instant Jeffry starts to move enter in a low throw.

 

OK, but I still think going for HCB /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif is better. And if you're the opponent and got thrown with /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif, ukeming is always better since Jeffry is taking on a risk by attempting to low throw.

 

Ice, I completely agree with you. HCB is the throw Jeff should be using if he wants to mix in a back directional throw (except when he's near a wall.) But I wanted to explore all the possibilities for the guide and found some weird things that happen after Jeff's b+P+G throw. Since most Jeff players will just use the HCB throw because it's the better option, I wanted to let you guys know about the other options that are available.