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Brad movelist help for guaranteed hit situations

Discussion in 'Brad' started by VFnumbers, Apr 25, 2009.

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  1. VFnumbers

    VFnumbers Well-Known Member Content Manager Lei

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    Anyone know of other moves used to punish other than pk, I just want to familiarize some of his options that r more damaging
     
    VFnumbers, Apr 25, 2009
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  2. erdraug

    erdraug Well-Known Member Content Mgr Vanessa

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    -14 gets you /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif for a float.

    I don't exactly know how he's suposed to punish sweeps/moves that recover low though with anything else besides elbow~screw kick - /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif maybe?
     
    erdraug, Apr 25, 2009
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  3. Feck

    Feck Well-Known Member Content Manager Akira

    Not to familiar with Brad but...

    /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif and /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif are guaranteed after you block some moves.

    I do /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif when I block big moves.
     
    Feck, Apr 25, 2009
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  4. Combolammas

    Combolammas Sheep

    A short list would be:

    - P,K 11f high
    - f+P,K 14f mid
    - f+P+K 14f high + combo
    - d+P+K,f+P 16f mid + combo on crouching (I'm not sure if it works on minor counter on standing too..)
    - f,f+K 17f mid + combo

    I'm not a Brad player so I might have missed something.
     
    Combolammas, Apr 25, 2009
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  5. Myke

    Myke Administrator Staff Member Content Manager Kage

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    Myke, Apr 25, 2009
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  6. erdraug

    erdraug Well-Known Member Content Mgr Vanessa

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    ...wait, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif is a natural combo? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/shocked.gif Well that fixes my "how to punish sweeps better" problem, Myke to the rescue! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cool.gif
     
    erdraug, Apr 25, 2009
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  7. Myke

    Myke Administrator Staff Member Content Manager Kage

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    Only when it's "guaranteed" (i.e. recovery counter hit)
     
    Myke, Apr 25, 2009
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  8. Combolammas

    Combolammas Sheep

    On crouching opponents on any hit. As far as I know you can't avoid the second hit if you get staggered by the first.

    It has a stagger, right? It's not mentioned in the movelist either.
     
    Combolammas, Apr 25, 2009
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  9. erdraug

    erdraug Well-Known Member Content Mgr Vanessa

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    Wow, the move just went from "probably useless" to "must use" in my books, thank you both /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif
     
    erdraug, Apr 25, 2009
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  10. VFnumbers

    VFnumbers Well-Known Member Content Manager Lei

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    thanks alot guys for the feedback i always used brad casually and i just wanna get brad on par or better than my lei
     
    VFnumbers, Apr 25, 2009
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  11. Jeneric

    Jeneric Well-Known Member

    Just a few slight corrections

    +11f /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif
    +14f /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif for standing opponents, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif for crouching opponents
    +16f /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif for crouching opponents only, needs to be in close range, otherwise /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif and /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif works good too.
    +17f /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif for crouching as well as standing opponents
    +18f /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif for all
    +24f /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif if you want to be cute on these rare occassions
     
    Jeneric, Apr 25, 2009
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  12. VFnumbers

    VFnumbers Well-Known Member Content Manager Lei

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    VFnumbers, Apr 25, 2009
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  13. Libertine

    Libertine Well-Known Member Content Manager Brad Silver Supporter Content Coordinator

    The fastest time that /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif will come out will be 17 frames when crouching? I didn't know that. I thought that a one frame expenditure was only in the case where you had to buffer a crouch dash.

    As far as /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif is concerned, I don't think it's too good on minor counter unless it's against lightweights. I think that /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif is a better punishment tool in these situations against heavier opponents.

    Use /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif after guarding Pai's Swallow Kicks or her /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif and follow up with /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif. The damage is quite nice.
     
    Libertine, May 8, 2009
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  14. Combolammas

    Combolammas Sheep

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The fastest time that + will come out will be 17 frames when crouching?</div></div>
    No. A minor counter only applys when you have 1 extra frame of recovery. Eg -16 on standing d+P+K won't mc so it's not guaranteed and -17 it will hit on mc.
     
    Combolammas, May 9, 2009
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  15. Libertine

    Libertine Well-Known Member Content Manager Brad Silver Supporter Content Coordinator

    OK, but I thought that the move connected not because of a mC hit, but because the first hit staggered a crouching opponent. So mC doesn't apply here so still 16 frames?
     
    Libertine, May 9, 2009
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  16. Myke

    Myke Administrator Staff Member Content Manager Kage

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    This is correct against crouching opponents.

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So mC doesn't apply here so still 16 frames?</div></div>
    Also correct against crouching opponents.

    When Jeneric wrote +17f, he is not implying that the move takes 17 frames to come out. But rather, as Combolammas mentioned, for a recovery counter hit effect* you need an additional frame. So the +17f requirement only applies to cases against standing opponents (and obviously, it will also work against crouching opponents).

    * recovery counter hit effect applies to moves that have different properties during recovery counter than a normal hit. It also applies to chain attacks, as is the case here with Brad. A classic example is Jacky's /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif - it starts with 13f exe, but for the entire series to be guaranteed Jacky needs 14f advanatage. At only 13f advantage, only the first /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif is guaranteed and the rest can be guarded, etc.
     
    Myke, May 9, 2009
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  17. Libertine

    Libertine Well-Known Member Content Manager Brad Silver Supporter Content Coordinator

    Thanks Myke. I just read Jeneric's post again and I missed the part where he said that the Shovel Hook to Last Shot worked in a +16 frame situation against crouching opponents only. Oops!
     
    Libertine, May 9, 2009
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  18. Libertine

    Libertine Well-Known Member Content Manager Brad Silver Supporter Content Coordinator

    I can't hit Jacky after I crouch under his [1][P][K] and [P][+][K][K] with [6][P][+][K]. [​IMG]

    Or rather, I've noticed it whiffs sometimes. I have no idea why though.
     
    Libertine, Oct 17, 2009
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  19. Manjimaru

    Manjimaru Grumpy old man

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    I cant test those without a partner, but if this is online we are talking about you may be just slow. Also, try [6][6][K].
     
    Manjimaru, Oct 18, 2009
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  20. Libertine

    Libertine Well-Known Member Content Manager Brad Silver Supporter Content Coordinator

    Nope, not online. And the knee is harder to react with.
     
    Libertine, Oct 18, 2009
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