Taking a cue from another member's post in antother (long) thread: It's been an oft-stressed point of mine, whenever the dreaded conversation of VF vs T comes up, to point out the weakness of Tekken's character implementation - to me, the most glaring example of it is the representative of Sumo, Ganryu. He may be doing anything BUT to represent Sumo. Not only are most of his "moves" quite ridiculous, and find no direct relative with the real-life practice, I find that in fighting games what's important as the moves themselves are the properties that surround the character - and there are no special characteristics for him as far as juggle time is concerned, etc; he can be floated in the exact same fashion as the little girl, Xiaoyu. He doesn't react differently to other character's actions. He doesn't make a different impact in other characters, insofar as special applications are considered (i.e. Taka vs. Aoi combos). And that's simply a joke. It shows that no care was dispensed in designing and implementing a character, that it's just a filler. Contrast it with Taka, a superbly implemented character, who has his own set of properties and intricacies, so much so as to directly affect the way the game is played, and the difference between the two games is readily apparent. The taka/ganryu comparison is just illustrative - the same case of poor implementation happens to just about all of the characters in Tekken, in my opinion. For all the thought of great character "design" there has been little mention of character implementation - I really couldn't give a damn if a given character "looks cool" if he isn't implemented in a cohesive/creative fashion. Not only do I really enjoy the character designs for most VF characters, I love the way the characters are implemented. It's stimulating, and the game changes for each character, directly and objectively, and not just in a "tier" sort of way (i.e. which character is better); VF has evolved way past than that, a long time ago. Tekken is still struggling with itself. thoghts?