Character Tournament Rankings in Japan

Discussion in 'Arcade' started by akai, Aug 19, 2007.

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  1. ice-9

    ice-9 Well-Known Member

    Re: VF5R Version B (5-22-09 to 9-14-09)

    Well, I'm having trouble sleeping so tried to answer my own question.

    Taking Akai's "final" data sets for the original VF5...

    *** Version C
    kage 35%
    lau 31%
    eileen 29%
    shun 26%
    sarah 26%
    jacky 25%
    jeffry 24%
    akira 23%
    vanessa 22%
    brad 21%
    wolf 21%
    aoi 21%
    lion 21%
    lei 21%
    blaze 21%
    pai 17%
    goh 15%

    *** Version B
    shun 34%
    eileen 33%
    kage 30%
    brad 27%
    akira 26%
    blaze 25%
    pai 24%
    lau 23%
    jacky 23%
    aoi 23%
    vanessa 22%
    lion 22%
    lei 21%
    sarah 21%
    goh 18%
    wolf 17%
    jeffry 14%

    So the answer is actually NO, VF5R Version B isn't the most compressed VF of all, because the final Version B and Version C pre-Revolution were actually just as balanced.

    Wow, didn't realize.

    Basically, the tiers are +/- 10% from the average, which is of course by definition 25%.
     
    ice-9, Sep 21, 2009
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  2. EmpNovA

    EmpNovA Well-Known Member

    Re: VF5R Version B (5-22-09 to 9-14-09)

    Well VF5R has two more characters. So a similar spread across 19 characters is more balanced than the same divide across 17 isn't it?
     
    EmpNovA, Sep 21, 2009
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  3. Dennis0201

    Dennis0201 Well-Known Member

    Re: VF5R Version B (5-22-09 to 9-14-09)

    Considering on the tiers, I think two sets are pretty enough actually, and there is no need to sort into three groups.

    As long as we pick out some S rank, the rest are belong to one group even they still have some tiny differences.
     
    Dennis0201, Sep 21, 2009
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  4. Slide

    Slide Well-Known Member

    Re: VF5R Version B (5-22-09 to 9-14-09)

    ice-9, the comparisons are cool and all, but imo the samples will always be biased, when trying to look at them like that for balance.

    I think it's more on the players involved, and the current metagame, self imposed codes, and character loyalty, that produce numbers like that.

    Of course insert char would be at the bottom, if the amount of players using said char were small in number, the players were weak in comparison, or both combined.
     
    Slide, Sep 21, 2009
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  5. akai

    akai Moderator Staff Member Content Manager Pai Bronze Supporter

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    Re: VF5R Version B (5-22-09 to 9-14-09)

    Empnova, the way ice-9 was calculating the percentages is independent of the number of characters available in the game.

    When new versions of the game come out, people assume that the changes made will make the game more balanced. But it might not be the case. For the most part, I think it just change what character might do better than other characters (based on comparing the data from the different versions of the game).

    Of course, there will always be biases in the data skewing the observations made. This usually become less of an issue with more samples.
     
    akai, Sep 22, 2009
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  6. akai

    akai Moderator Staff Member Content Manager Pai Bronze Supporter

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    VF5FS

    [​IMG]

    As in the past, I most likely will continue updating this for a couple of months out of curiosity.
     
    akai, Aug 14, 2010
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  7. Jide

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    Re: VF5FS

    Wtf Goh is quite popular as a tournament character..
     
    Jide, Aug 14, 2010
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  8. KrsJin

    KrsJin Well-Known Member

    Re: VF5FS

    Probably the most spread out in terms of popularity I've seen yet in all of 5's history.
     
    KrsJin, Aug 14, 2010
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  9. Kamais_Ookin

    Kamais_Ookin Well-Known Troll

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    Re: VF5FS

    Number of entry Jeffry players = lowest

    Number of 2nd place Jeffry players = lowest

    Number of 1st place Jeffry players = lowest

    Final Verdict = Jeffry sucks in this game as I've been preaching for the longest of times now, this data backs it up.
     
    Kamais_Ookin, Aug 14, 2010
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  10. akai

    akai Moderator Staff Member Content Manager Pai Bronze Supporter

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    Re: VF5FS

    The data is a very small sample size to support Jeffry is completely toned down. The only thing I think people can actually take from the data is which character is being used the most.
     
    akai, Aug 14, 2010
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  11. Kamais_Ookin

    Kamais_Ookin Well-Known Troll

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    Re: VF5FS

    Well there has to be a reason for why he's being used the least out of the entire cast and winning the least out of the entire cast, right?
     
    Kamais_Ookin, Aug 14, 2010
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  12. akai

    akai Moderator Staff Member Content Manager Pai Bronze Supporter

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    Re: VF5FS

    How popular a character is does not correlate with their ability to compete. Taka is a good example. Shun is another example in previous versions of VF5.

    Right now, 1 week of tournaments is a very low sample size (especially for Jeffry who is used the least). Heck, you may be right, and he was completely nerfed...but currently the data is too small to support that claim, imho.
     
    akai, Aug 14, 2010
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  13. KrsJin

    KrsJin Well-Known Member

    Re: VF5FS

    If by longest time you mean the entire existence of FS including local tests, then I don't think you meant 'longest' time at all.
     
    KrsJin, Aug 14, 2010
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  14. Kamais_Ookin

    Kamais_Ookin Well-Known Troll

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    Re: VF5FS

    Alright, I get what your saying. It's still too early to judge, I think it's better to wait a couple months, hopefully you can find something like this again during that time! [​IMG]
    "Longest time" was a poor choice of words on my part, what I actually mean is like a few weeks really, sorry for the confusion.
     
    Kamais_Ookin, Aug 14, 2010
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  15. Mackfactor

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    Re: VF5FS

    whoa... 3 goh's came in first?
    which goh's were they?
     
    Mackfactor, Aug 14, 2010
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  16. Seidon

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    Re: VF5FS

    Interesting stuff.

    I'm not surprised that Jeff is the least popular character.
     
    Seidon, Aug 14, 2010
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  17. Sharp7

    Sharp7 Well-Known Member

    Re: VF5FS

    Indeed, an ugly doofy looking guy that sounds obnoxious... not surprised hes unpopular. (I still think jeffry is a badass awesome character though)

    Pretty sad that Pai is the most popular though, I hate her the most of all characters when I play as my main Brad. I'm kinda used to her now though.
     
    Sharp7, Aug 15, 2010
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  18. akai

    akai Moderator Staff Member Content Manager Pai Bronze Supporter

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    A question by Feck in the shoutbox and out of my own curiosity, I took some time to gather tournament data again. Below is a summary of the characters people are choosing to play in general (from DK Blog) and in the daily Sega tournaments. By the end of the week or earlier, I should have the charts I normally made for this thread up (waiting for the tournament data on the last couple days of December to be uploaded on Sega's website).

    [​IMG]

    The 5.88% (17 characters) and 5.26% (19 characters) column represents the % of each character if selection was equally distributed.

    VF5-B, VF5-C, VF5R-A, and VF5R-B is based on the player entries in the daily VF tournaments organized by Sega (the same data used in the character ranking charts listed in the first post of this thread).

    VF5FS-A is the new data collected, ~ 2 months of tournaments (November and December 2011).

    DK#21 & DK#86 - These are the stats from D.K. Blog. It represents the distribution of characters used by the entire VF5 and VF5FS player population in Japan, respectively.

    How to read the chart - I will use Kage as an example. In the general population of VF5 players, the amount of players that play Kage is 6.62% (DK #21) which is slightly higher than the average of 5.88%. This indicates Kage is slightly more popular character to the general population of VF players in Japan. When you look at the number of Kage players who participate in the original VF5 tournaments, the % is even greater: 9.97% and 9.69% compared to the 6.62% of the general population. This suggests people who participate in the Sega tournaments have a skewed preference for Kage compared to the general population of VF players. In VF5:FS, the general population of VF players have a slight preference for Kage (5.81% compared to the average 5.26%). This is similar to the original VF5 data; unlike the original VF5 data, the percentage of players choosing Kage in the Sega daily VF5FS tournaments (4.30%) is less than the 5.81% of Kage players in the general population.
     
    akai, Jan 1, 2012
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  19. Feck

    Feck Well-Known Member

    Doesn't seem to be many Lei and Shun players in FS, that's surprising. I guess everyone uses Jacky and Akira now, though their figures are fairly consistent with the data before FS.

    Thanks for posting this up Akai.
     
    Feck, Jan 1, 2012
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  20. erdraug

    erdraug Well-Known Member

    Nice work, very interesting. <span style="text-decoration: line-through">Is there a reason Lau's cell is not grey?</span>
     
    erdraug, Jan 1, 2012
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