DC vs Arcade - where is my advil?

Is this really worth getting that worked up about? Fact- should the arcade inception been like the dreamcast inception, and the dreamcast like the current arcade version - almost everyone would have been blathering about the Arcade was so much worse...is it that hard to think that maybe it got better? {Except for making Sarah lighter } We all enjoy it, we all get together, spend rediculious amounts of money to travel to meet and play the game; so why can't we just have fun?

 

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You want to talk 'Facts'?

Fact #1: Your continual insistance on creating new threads rather than contributing to an already existing one is really beginning to piss me off.
-How about not want to wade through a million differen't threads...try thinking outside your little world

Fact #3: The Dreamcast version is not the same (read: not as good) as the Arcade version. Therefore, yes, it's pretty fucking hard to think that "maybe it got better". Because it didn't.
THIS IS NOT FACT - please Myke..assuming you can type, you can read - take the time to read my post. What are stating is OPINION - NOT fact. Good lord...please don't burst a blood vessel.
Fact #4: We weren't talking about just meeting and having fun. We're talking about a damn tournament, an all open world fucking tournament, pal.
-Yeah, you may want to seek stress managment classes dude...
Have a nice day now.
-Actually, I've had a great day..how about you?
P.S. I just found out that advil is some kind of painkiller you have over there, so ignore my 'wtf is advil' remark. But, in general, your subject headers are usually retarded anyway.

For someoen who can not even seem to have the capacity to respond to my threads with any sort of thought out response, I am amazed at myself for even responding to your attack...if you get some small pleasure out of life by making some attacks - good for you, and I pitty you.

 

Well said

 

Then your obviously not trying hard enough...let me supply the brick...

I NEVER made a statement that something is a fact - I said, the DC could be considered better due to the changes...if you woul get it through your thick skull that possibly some people enjoy the d.c one more, then you may be able to comprehend what I was saying in the beginning....it is great when people just play into my hands.
I know full well how to quote and just do so in another mannor....
Fact is Myke, as much you may not want to deny it, your OPINION that the arcade version is better is just that - can you supply ANY concrete evidence to why the arcade version is better? If so, I am all eyes.

 

Fact is Myke, as much you may not want to deny it, your OPINION that the arcade version is better is just that - can you supply ANY concrete evidence to why the arcade version is better? If so, I am all eyes.

First of all, I like the fact that you wrote eyes
instead of ears. Shows your thinking about the
medium you're using. Woo hoo!

Second. C'mon now. Is this a bait? Concrete
reasons that aren't based upon feeling but empiricism?
Know about Platonic forms and what you get the further
you move away from that form (side note: Aristotle,
following Plato had some scary ideas about artists
because of the way they counterfited reality)? Think
of the arcade version as the initial form, any work
that acts as a copy of that form is just that...a copy.
Take a picture and photocopy it--go ahead, I'll wait.
Now, take that copy and copy it and then...well I think
you can see where I'm going with this...

You see, without messing with the baser matter of opinion
I can point to several things off the top of my head that
mark the Arcade version being better. Models, costume
choice (Taka's third suit was removed in the DC port),
changes made specifically to round out the game that were
undone by the programmers at Genki. ...aaaand such and
such.

Really, though, the only reason I need to give is that
the arcade version doesn't contain flaws due to a rushed
and half-assed conversion. That makes it better right
there. If I replicated the Mona Lisa but screwed up that
famous smile, I doubt many people would pat me on the back
and tell me I've gone DaVinci one better (although, in this
"postmodern" world...), they'd acknowledge that I'd done a
fine job but that I'd messed up toward the end. I didn't
add anything new or innovate on the existing product, I
had just skimped on time and detail.

you know?

GE

 

hmm, i didn't know about the third suit...

was that the one that was in OB (more clothing)?


<font color=red>PICCOLO</font color=red>

 

hmm, i didn't know about the third suit...

Taka's "naked" suit but now I'm wondering if that
wasn't removed in TB? I haven't seen it forever.
Rich? Is it still there?

GE

 

OK...listen, this has dragged on long enough
Fact {just cause you love it so much} I preorderd tb and have played it at many a great length. I did not have the luxury of doing so in the arcade due to the prohibitive costs.

As far as Godeaters argument, while seemingly sound - there are a few flaws. Let me ask you this - was the originall version of doom the true version? No - it was moddified? Was the original version of TB the true version, or was it the tweaks that came afterwards? How about vf2? Was the first version the "true" version, or perhaps, harkening back the allogory of the cave, that just a mere refelction of what the true version is? Think for a moment...none of us know what is going on inside of Yu's head. Perhaps NONE of the versions are the true version, and the true version of VF will be it's final inception?

 

To godeater - at least you did address my question/argument with a thought out argument and I thank you for it. Myke, maybe you can take note - you can make a argument without profanity or name calling, cause it really does not put you in the best light.

 

Hey hey...let's drag this on just a little longer.

first I'm going to come out and say that I play
whichever version is closest to me at the time.
DC or arcade, it's whatever I can get my hands
on earliest (or whatever the majority will be
playing that night).

As far as Godeaters argument, while seemingly sound - there are a few flaws. Let me ask you this - was the originall version of doom the true version? No - it was moddified? Was the original version of TB the true version, or was it the tweaks that came afterwards? How about vf2? Was the first version the "true" version, or perhaps, harkening back the allogory of the cave, that just a mere refelction of what the true version is? Think for a moment...none of us know what is going on inside of Yu's head. Perhaps NONE of the versions are the true version, and the true version of VF will be it's final inception?

I'm willing to concede the fact that no one knows
what Yu Suzuki has planned and in the same
manner willing to suspend the real until he makes
that public but my point still stands.

Given the example of platonic forms nothing Yu
creates will be exactly like the idea of it. So
in that way you're right; the real version still
hasn't (and I say won't) achieved any viable
physicality. however here's the problem with that
argument. Suzuki-san didn't involve himself with
DCTB, Genki did. and my Mona Lisa piece of fluff
remains pertinent. The fact that the re-making
of this particular piece of art fell out of the
author's hands makes it less real to me. The
original (signed and numbered) sits in Funland
here in Toronto and in Rich's house.

I'm not saying that more people can't appreciate
and admire the original through the counterfeits
as that is obviously the case. I had a friend in
Residence who absolutely loved Monet. Not having the
money to buy the originals she would purchase small
posters of her favourites. Not many people can get
to go the great museums that house wonderful works
of art, fewer can get the works to visit them through
purchasing them. The result will always be copy's
made by a printing house and distributed for a fraction
of a cost. But I think most people would have had a
laugh if my friend had tried to pass her posters off
as the real thing.

you know?

GE

 

I think that this is going on abit, but what the hell, your giving me a good argument. I think calling the d.c version; and relating it to, a counterfit, is a slippery sloap argument. It is a replica, not an exact copy of the original, with flaws and all. But are the differences flaws or not? Many people enjoy being able to pull of d.c only combos, cause it gives you more things that you can do. I think, as I said before, that this comes down to personal opinion

 

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I think that this is going on abit, but what the hell, your giving me a good argument. I think calling the d.c version; and relating it to, a counterfit, is a slippery sloap argument. It is a replica, not an exact copy of the original, with flaws and all. But are the differences flaws or not? Many people enjoy being able to pull of d.c only combos, cause it gives you more things that you can do. I think, as I said before, that this comes down to personal opinion

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personal opinions? no.

<blockquote>replica: an exact reproduction; a copy exact in all details</blockquote>if it is a replica, then it failed. there are conversion flaws. you go on to mention this, then reverse your position at the end say they are not flaws, but differences? that implies then that it is not trying to be a replica, thus, a counterfeit. last time i saw, the dc game had vf3tb on it, and you're trying to tell me that it's not trying to be like vf3tb? you just invalidated your entire argument. GE is not giving you a good argument. this argument is lame. give up.

oh, and don't go off creating a new thread on the same subject. it's starting to piss me off as well.


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shadowrush:
But are the differences flaws or not?

I agree. While the graphics and sound of the DC version are clearly flawed when compared to the arcade, the gameplay differences can be enjoyable in their own way. If you are used to the arcade, then the differences can be annoying (but they don't have to be - as adjusting in general takes little work, IMO). Gameplay on the DC version doesn't have to be viewed as flawed if that is the only version one is used to (barring the whole issue of playing the game as Yu Suzuki INTENDED it - no one says that one MUST play VF3tb nowadays as Yu designed it). With this view the whole thing does become subjective (not graphics/sound issue as that is clearly obvious - the textures and poly models on DC version just aren't as good). Its like a slightly different version - with things added and taken away.

People - just enjoy and train on whichever version you have access to! When time comes for a tournament, it shouldn't be too hard to adjust from one version to the other.



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still there. i actually have the naked option set to "ng" as normal. i just like the third outfit better.

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Let's all just play SambaDeAmigo...screw it.

-sa

 

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