Dealing with delayed throws against EDTEG.

People delay attacks or throws to catch EDTEGs. I was wondering something about delayed throws.

Say if I use SDE, and it gets blocked by an opponent.
I do EDETG, and the oppoenent delays TFT to catch my end of EDTEG.

I saw good Japanese players still break a very delayed throw. I assume that if they see their opponents waiting, they'd do another EDTEG right after they recover from the first EDTEG.

My question is can I hit the opponent out the delayed throw instead of doing another throw escapes? If the opponents time the delaying of throw perfect, is it impossible to hit them out of it or can I still hit them with low P or something right after the first recovery is gone to avoid throws?

 

Yes, You are right.
I say this before on some thread.
If you delay throw agains throwescape, there is anything you can do about it, the only thing you can do is do throwescape one more time. But that is just...................impossible!! (minder than 10%)

That's why in japan there are no much people use throw escape at the moment. Thought!! (read form a book!) /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

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My question is can I hit the opponent out the delayed throw instead of doing another throw escapes? If the opponents time the delaying of throw perfect, is it impossible to hit them out of it or can I still hit them with low P or something right after the first recovery is gone to avoid throws?

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I don't think you can.

Slow evade recovery is fairly long. They have enough time to delay just a little bit and still beat your EDTEG. The timing is so strict that you have to enter the throw escape at almost the exact time they try to throw. If they delay for about 1/6th of a second (10 frames), they'll probably get a successful throw depending on your EDTEG timing (or the order which you input the escapes). During an unsuccessful evade, you are basically screwed because they can either delay their throw, MC you if you try to attack after recovering, or interrupt your evade if you EDTEG again. That's why sometimes you'll see people block a move like SDE and just wait to see what you do.

 

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Ogi said:

Yes, You are right.
I say this before on some thread.
If you delay throw agains throwescape, there is anything you can do about it, the only thing you can do is do throwescape one more time. But that is just...................impossible!! (minder than 10%)

That's why in japan there are no much people use throw escape at the moment. Thought!! (read form a book!) /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Nice. It is clear now for me. Thanks for the reply.

 

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Ogi said:

Yes, You are right.
I say this before on some thread.
If you delay throw agains throwescape, there is anything you can do about it, the only thing you can do is do throwescape one more time. But that is just...................impossible!! (minder than 10%)

That's why in japan there are no much people use throw escape at the moment. Thought!! (read form a book!) /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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There is little fout.
If you delay throw agains throwescape, there is anything your oppn can do about it, the only thing he can do is do throwescape one more time. But that is just...................impossible!! (minder than 10%)

also that is not form is from a book! sorry /versus/images/graemlins/blush.gif

 

i've never had this situation myself, but i watched a couple of matches replay in slow motion and the players sometimes did 2 EDTEGs in order to avoid the delayed throw, so that might just be the best thing to do in this particular situation. the following 'advice' may be very stupid.. if you're playing someone who always does this, you can actually punish them by not adding the guard at the end, that'll make your throw come out and you'll get some free damage on him if he was trying to delay his throw. but with that, if he does not try a throw, you might eat some big floaters -_-

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sorry but i just have to ask, what's machi?

 

If you predict delayed throw then ATE their ass...and unless you're a character without a normal hit combo starter then you shouldn't be doing delayed throw anyways against a dodger...

 

Yeah they WILL catch your evade before you can evade again (or do anything else).

But can you do a single TEG before the end of a failed evade (not get a whiffed throw afterwards)?

 

When you've entered your EDTEG and see them delaying, you might want to try reacting with ATE such as LP-MTE etc. So there is the chance that your attack will beat their delayed throw, and also you will still escape if it doesn't. iirc, I read somewhere that you cannot evade an attack immediately following a failed dodge. So if that's the case, another EDTEG would be pointless anyway.

Personally, when I feel someone is about to delay throw I continue to enter the escape for their best throw and risk whiff. = P

 

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maddy said:
Say if I use SDE, and it gets blocked by an opponent.
I do EDETG, and the oppoenent delays TFT to catch my end of EDTEG.


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I guess you can mix it up and be offensive at times. If you EDTEG after EVERY SDE your opponent might catch on to it, so instead of going the defensive route all the time, you can go for a d+P throw or an evade shrm, evade yoho (if you think that he'll delay P+G).

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maddy said:
I saw good Japanese players still break a very delayed throw. I assume that if they see their opponents waiting, they'd do another EDTEG right after they recover from the first EDTEG.

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Seems like a good solution, if you don't feel like gambling.

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maddy said:
My question is can I hit the opponent out the delayed throw instead of doing another throw escapes? If the opponents time the delaying of throw perfect, is it impossible to hit them out of it or can I still hit them with low P or something right after the first recovery is gone to avoid throws?


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Logically no but maybe you can , + right after the EDTEG. I don't know, never really tried it much but I'm guessing it's possible (depending on how long your opponent delays the throw).

 

Actually, alot of the times doing EDTEG will still escape a delayed throw in alot of cases. If they delayed to the extent that you are pretty much at the end of your failed evade animation, in most cases you will be able to ARE like BMF and what IMF said, or simple attack normally. It's really a matter of reacting and not freeze up. But a well timed delayed attack.. there's no way to beat that..

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in most cases you will be able to ARE

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I meant ATE

 

Unable to use the edit button eh? /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Anyway if you use EDTEG and get caught by a throw, it's probably because they used a different throw direction than what you put a throw escape for...

 

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JRock said:

Unable to use the edit button eh? /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Anyway if you use EDTEG and get caught by a throw, it's probably because they used a different throw direction than what you put a throw escape for...

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If someone delays their throw enough, your TE input will be gone, and you can get thrown by any throw regardless of what TEs you input beforehand.

 

That's because you are guarding or doing nothing at the moment, and in that case throws would work anyway as it is after the EDTEG and not during it unless you are going for the 1-frame stuff which would be at the exact frame of the guard at the end of the EDTEG which I think the throw escape would work.

 

maybe they just do EDTEG, then while that is whiffing, just a (D)TTEG ----- no evade. Or you can guess that was the last input of the defenders throw escape, and the opponent went for a delayed TFT, therefore actually a single throw escape lined up by coincidence. I dont think there is enough frames for a whiffed sidestep to go immediately into another sidestep.

Whether if you can attack immediately after a whiffed sidestep. Someone needs to clarify if a whiffed sidestep is throwcounterable or not. Im gonna guess that it is. . . because you are doing nothing. -_-;;

 

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JRock said:

That's because you are guarding or doing nothing at the moment, and in that case throws would work anyway as it is after the EDTEG and not during it unless you are going for the 1-frame stuff which would be at the exact frame of the guard at the end of the EDTEG which I think the throw escape would work.

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