Discussion from "VF5R for console effort" thread

Fortunately, the current document is arranged to allow 3 to 5 minutes max to get the point across. The sheer volume of stories serve the dual purpose of being reading material and visual representation of enthusiasm "Shit! That's a lot of contribution!"

 

Thank you Kamaage, I hope you can pass the document directly to Present of SEGA! Oral promise is nothing from that SEGA guy you met.

It looks like SEGA doesn't care about the contents. 500 pages fake proposal is not that hard but stupid...

 

I think they likely just realize that no one is going to read every name, every story so if they count up the participants rather than get intimate with the details they'll see that the proposal only has so many people behind it.

Size matters when you're asking someone to spend money releasing a product into the market place.

 

Cooperate with media like magazine or somthing if we can, that should be helpful.

we already have 100 person sign,we can promise to sega each person buy five VF5R games, that euqals 500~ =P

 

I won't buy five, but if it comes out in the states I will buy one day 1.

 

Bleh

 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> 1) Give the original document to the developers. It is strong enough that after the developers have read it, they will make the case to whoever they need to, to get approval.

2) Instead of a 500 page document, which no CEO will read, lets make a power point presentation that makes the case in 3 to 5 minutes. (which is about all the time a CEO will spend on us). Put the presentation on jump drive, CD, or make a YouTube video of the presentation and let the president watch it that way.


The "number of pages" will not be as effective as a well produced power point that lasts no longer than 3-to- 5 minutes.
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Honestly, I'm with you on this one Poe. I think it would be nice if one was made to add to the already 500 (holy shit 500) page document. So who here is good at writing "request for proposals?"
Any technical writers in the house?

 

I would focus both on the Developers and the President. Plus maybe get the players in the Japanese arcade to want this as much as us. A petition of sorts. I have a feeling Sega would listen to the Japanese audience more than us.

 

I'm not feeling the presentation idea. Just saying stuff in a presentation isn't going to do anything, the executives don't want to be told what decisions to make. It's weak. The best choice is still a big document. It isn't the point that someone will read it or not, it's the impact of a big brick of a book on their desk.

 

I agree with Brisal.

The Japanese players are their target audience with the VF series. If they backed this idea then I'm sure it would do much better.

 

I also agree with Brian. Since Kamaage-san has come here our boards have been on fire. Also he is setting up the interviews for us with other famous Japanese VF players.

For the people who went to WCG they were fortunate enough to meet Fuudo and I'm sure by meeting us (foreign players) Fuudo understands that the passion the Japanese have for VF also exist in the West. If we can get a lot of the famous players to help our cause by speaking on our behalf then we stand a much better chance

Maybe with Kamaage-san's help we can get even more Japanese players to register here at VFDC to show that they support us and this forum. There are so many famous VF players that Sega knows and respect and for some of us like myself we were lucky to befriend them, so I'm sure they wouldn't mind helping us if the situation was carefully explained.

Also adding the interviews into the final document for the development team and president could be a nice way to add a few extra pages and reach the 500 page mark quicker.

While I want to play VF5R as much as everyone I think we should use this as an opportunity to change the way sega thinks about expanding VF outside of Japan. We may not get R, but let's try to guarantee that we will get VF6 on console more quickly and all the updates that follow in a timely fashion.

Honestly guys while I don't want to say it, but it might be to late for VF5R, considering it's been in the Japanese arcades for over 2 years now. I wouldn't be surprised if a VF6 is announced within a year or so.

 

We can do both things ( get more people, A LOT MORE, & make a little presentation ).

Also, if they want to quantify the number of people interested in 5 R, may be we should use an online petition or something.

 

Honestly, I'm with you on this one Poe. I think it would be nice if one was made to add to the already 500 (holy shit 500) page document. So who here is good at writing "request for proposals?"
Any technical writers in the house?

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Me.

 

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I've been thinking the same way for a while now and I'm sure many others have as well.

I guess we really don't want to be forgotten about.

I wasn't here for VF4:FT but I imagine it was something similar to what we are going through at the moment.

If Sega can release VF5 (twice) after not giving us FT on consoles then I think there is some shred of hope to hang on to for VF6 or something similar.

Although, having said that, I'm pretty sure EVO sold much better than VF5.

 

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Nobody is telling them to do anything. Presentations, like "rfps" are methods of persuasion. We're not trying to tell them what to do, more on the lines of showing them what they should do. What are the benefits of a new console VF aside from us tossing a 500 page document on his desk and expecting him to get motivated?

@Shiny

Get crackin champion.

 

Yea, ok, here's an idea. Why don't we quit debating and start getting shit done. A powerpoint may be nice, if we could get in translated into Japanese, and get someone to present it, and get the CEO to sit though it. But let's get real here. Kamaage has promised to put whatever document we come up with right under the nose of Sega's CEO. That's more than good enough, and it's really all we could ask for at this point. Let's get those 500 signatures, get them complied into the proposal, and worry about the rest after we gauge Sega's reaction.

P.S. Thank you Kamaage for doing this for us. I honestly had my doubts Sega would take us seriously (they haven't in the past), but having you be the one to deliver our proposal clearly made all the difference in the world. We are in your debt.

 

It's no problem at all to come to a mere 500+ pages. It's just a matter of formatting and style.

If every posted story were to take up one page, we would already be there, I guess. We'd just have to fire up Adobe InDesign and make it look nice...

 

To the contrary my friend. The standard way to communicate with
high level management, owners, executives is through power point presentations, and white papers. Their days are so busy, they barely have time for those. Unless you're a personal friend, or insider,your best bet if you want to persuade, or make an argument for something to a CEO, president, etc is to put together a well crafted power point presentation that takes no more than 3-to-5 minutes, Or a short but power executive summary (white paper)

If Shiny is willing to help put it together, we should come up with an outline of the major points we want to make, we then need to back those points up with data, testimonials, tables, etc. The presentation needs a theme, a powerful conclusion page, an effective look and feel. I know there are people in this forum that could put a very high quality presentation together.

As an alternative to this we could produce a short Youtube presentation that could accomplish the same thing. The video would be harder, and more expensive to produce though. But if kept to 3-to-5 minutes most executives would take the time to watch it.

I agree with a couple of others that it might be too late for 5R, and VF 6 is more likely, but maybe the request to make in the presentation would include:


1) Keep consoles and arcade versions in sync (within reason)
2) Keep online capabilities of PS3 and XBOX 360 the same
3) Consider DLC as a method of keeping console VF up-to-date
4) Convince them that Console tournaments outside of Japan
really do happen
5) Recognize VFDC as an 'official gateway' to VFers outside
of Japan

I'm sure there is a sales relationship between arcade VF and
console VF. Console VF probably leads to more revenue at the arcades. The popularity of VF at the arcade probably leads to more console sales. Somebody somewhere has to have this data.
maybe we could get our hands on it for the presentation.

If you could show that console sales of VF 'indirectly generate' more Aracde plays of VF and vice versa, that would be a good tidbit that would support of argument of keeping the two
more or less in sync.

Also including highlights from the VFDC website and well as the
VFDC wiki, and the virtual fighter wikipedia in the presentation demonstrates the sheer committment to the game outside of Japan.

Maybe even throw in some highlights from the video that Plague is producing (I hear they're very good)

 

It seriously seems so weak. They already know all the numbers and stuff, having the best presentation ever won't change that. I just don't get how a presentation would have any kind of impact. It reminds me of those dudes that say like 'hey I have an idea for a game it has this and this and this' and it's just this idea that sounds generic and doesn't mean anything.

Having a presentation will not prove there are any kind of numbers behind the effort. One dude can make a presentation, what does it mean? Showing that there is a small group of hardcore people that play? That doesn't do anything to help Sega.

What exactly will you say? 'VF5R will sell more because of this and this and this' and have a bunch of charts and testimonials. Anyone can say that, it doesn't have any power behind it. It's like telling Martha Stewart about your awesome apple pie recipe.