In some Hong Kong game magazine, there's some new move for the characters in VF4, I don't know where they find it, but for your interest, they make me think of Soul Calibur more and more.... e.g. Akira : f,b+P+G --> f,u(8-way run) --> P+K [iron montain] AOi : d/f+P+K+G [new low throw that you see in the movie] Sarah: high kick -->(go into a high kick stance that can be follow up by a low kick(d+K) or a neck-hanging throw(P+G)]...some what like Jenny in Bloody Roar Kage: also have a special stance now, that can shift fast to the opp 's side or back...ie a reversal-base stance wolf: have a low-punch reversal to pull the foe stumble forward and open for his attack on opp back Hope you are interested in. Hugo P.S. do you know where are these info from>>>????