EDTTEG's

Hello people. I've been having some trouble with Throw Escapes. It's the only thing that bothers me. I'm able to do every akira combo, every technique, everything. And still, I suck with TE..
I searched for information about it here, and I got some, but instead of posting my question there in that old thread, I just decided to ask it here: What's the best way to avoid 3 throws? I mean.. if I do ++ in a very quick motion, will I be able to escape all those throws? What I mean is: does the game detect throw escapes like ++ and ++ doing just++?

Sorry for the noobie question. I didn't find that in my searching. Senjuro said that his QCF technique seemed to work, so I supposed a HCF or HCB would work too. Stay cool.

 

You mean ++ as a single motion, which would only give you a ++ throw escape.

In order to escape a throw, you need to enter in the appropriate command (same direction) that your opponent does, except from the opposite side, 1P or 2P respectively.

So in order to enter in throw escapes for directions you descirbed, you would need to enter in:

++
++
++
++
++

Which is not going to work, seeing as a EQTEG is the greatest ETEG possible. If you need directions on which throw to break for each character, read up on Creed's excellent articles. If you need directions with how to throw escape, don't you own Evo, I mean it's in the trial training, maybe you need to do those first /versus/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
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What I mean is: does the game detect throw escapes like ++ and ++ doing just++?

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I am pretty sure this is all explained in the tutorials, which it sounds like you have not done. Go into training and do the throw escape trials, that should explain everything clearly.

 

Actually the greatest amount you can do is Evade QUAD throw escapes Guard.

 

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Actually the greatest amount you can do is Evade QUAD throw escapes Guard.

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Yeah, against JEFF in trial training to. /versus/images/graemlins/cool.gif

 

As far as the Throw Escape Challenge is concerned on the evo disk, Ryan Hart is the only one I've ever seen successfully get Evade Quads...I'm not even sure if the was in there (it ain't part of the exercise, huh?). In the same little session though, I also saw him bang out 1TE, 2 TE's & 3 TE's when trying for 4...this tells me that Evade Quads are a tad ambitious since the fella had pretty wicked input otherwise. I venture to guess that had the exercise been E-DTEG though, he wouldn't have missed. Wouldn't it suck to play and keep getting MC'd trying to get out of obscure grabs your opponent isn't trying? I think that was kind of the point that IMF and Mike90210 had in that thread you mention. They are better players than I...listen to them.

A funny aside...my roommate Richard gets out of what he calls "the priority grab" ie, the one you are most likely to go for (given ring position, damage, tendencies, character etc) & he has a good deal of success with this (at evo2k3 he escaped more grabs than the rest of us from BR combined). Maybe it's just yomi but one day he was messing around and kept throwing out throw counterable moves for me to block (against which I would dutifully attempt throw) & guessed correctly 6 or 7 times running. His point is...your opponent can only use one grab at a time /versus/images/graemlins/cool.gif I can't endorse this method, but it's certainly less taxing than EQTE.

 

EDTEG's and Quick Motions (without hurting or getting tired)

Emp, ffs, I did everything in the Trial except challenge mode. And I was thinking about a way to enter all 4 throw escapes in the challenge mode. The max I did was 3 and I almost broke my left wrist..It's fucking wicked. 4!?
I just wanted to know if there's some way to enter all of the 4 escapes in time. Is it possible to enter all of them without having to kill myself?! I mean...I saw 15 japanese matches showing the players themselves, playing. And they don't seem to move their arms a lot. They just move their hands. And those wicked movies in sega-event..who's that? Is that always the same guy moving his hand like crazy, or is it more than one guy?

Please, help me, I move myself a lot to do every match in the game. I do swimming, tai chi, gym, and jiu-jitsu. I'm not a "bull", but man...I wasn't supposed to get so tired playing a fucking game. For example, I'm able to pull off a DLC pretty easily. But everytime I float the opponent, and I'm trying to pull off the same move, I almost kill myself..

Give me some tips about working with the stick. PLEASE. It's not that I use too much strength..well, I do a little, but it's the only way I'm able to get the correct inputs. And it's usually the only way I'm able to move my hands fast: I have to use my arms, A LOT. I put a lot of strength on them to play.

Help me?

 

Re: EDTEG's and Quick Motions (without hurting or getting tired)

The reason why you're getting tired is *because* you're using your arms. Quick movements are much better suited to smaller muscle groups - like your wrist and fingers.

To do 4 escapes requires an extreme level of dexterity. On this note, it may be best to accept that some people are less dextrous than others. 4 escapes - for me, that's a "no thank-you". I don't see the huge reward for training myself to do that - with any consistency, that is.

There's no reason to think that you can't learn these techniques - you can train yourself. But it takes time...sometimes A LOT. When VF2 was in its prime, I had the goal of being able to Senbon (PKG) fast enough to do all the insane combos. I practiced my ass off. My hand ached from constant practice as it was a repetitive movement that I was just not familiar with. I would be tapping out P - K - G on everything - my binder, the side of my chair, my desk, etc. I figured the more I did the index-middle-thumb-index-middle-thumb movements, the more familiar I would become with the movements and the faster and more controlled I would be with the combos. Sure enough, it worked and now I can Senbon like crazy (still can too /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif). But it took, seriously, at least 6 months before I could do it with any proficiency.

Same rules are going to apply to you learning multiple throw escapes. You have to practice the motions all the time. Do the motions for them in between rounds - everytime. Always be doing the motions to get it down and comfortable. You're going to be challenging your wrist to develop more fast twitch muscle fibres, and you're forming new, and refining existing, neural pathways.

My suggestion is to force yourself to use your fingers and wrist more, and your arms less. It will seem slower at first, but keep at it and it will come.

<font color="yellow">.cheers.</font>

 

Re: EDTEG's and Quick Motions (without hurting or getting tired)

I suppose you were using it for Kage, right? For TFT combos and stuff.

BTW, thanks for the contribution, I've been practising a lot my hand skills. But GOD, is it hard or what...I have really weird wrists as I'm able to touch with my middle finger in the inside part of my arm 10 cm below the wrist. What I mean is, I have a really great flexbility in my wrists and fingers (Tai chi helps, and swimming too). But everytime I pull of fast combos, GOD, you should hear the noise. It's both the stick, the buttons, and my wrists *clicking* like hell.

Anyway, thanks again, I'll keep on trying! =)

 

Re: EDTEG's and Quick Motions (without hurting or getting tired)

Well, here is a guy name Avi in OHIO who doesn't do

TE practice much at all, but I saw him pulling off QTE

in the challenge mode with not a lot of problems.

I myself haven't even done QTE twice in my life(I got

that once and quit it afterwards), but while watching

him doing it, I realize it requires a lighting fast input

which might take a player with regular hands speed

for several month or forever to be able to do it..

IMO, someone is naturally better on inputting quick

commands over the other, but that doesn't directly

translate into the skill level in general. If one can do

EDTEG consitently whenever he wants, I think that is

pretty good.

 

Re: EDTEG's and Quick Motions (without hurting or getting tired)

In reguards to messing up DLCs and whatnot after floats...Its probably because youre panicking when u see the float. Try to relax and not get overexcited.

 

Re: EDTEG's and Quick Motions (without hurting or getting tired)

ya i have a lot of trouble doing double or triple throw escapes because my first command usually doesn't register because i buffer it in too soon i guess, which i really dislike, so the main throw that i'm tryin to avoid i do first and i usually miss it. practice practice practice i guess...

 

Just for the sake of the topic, I don't think it's actually possible to do a G at the end of a QTE or EQTE simply because the final throw ALWAYS comes out. Which, sort of, makes QTE (or at least EQTE) slightly dangerous in nature given the possibility of getting MC on it.

I would hope that at least SOME people could do the challenge session(s) somewhat easily, otherwise my hands are faster than I thought ^^; Then again, my skill is, likely, far below (though, hopefully, not TOO far) some people here, so the point of saying "Oh! I can QTE and EQTE! I r teh c00l d00d!!1!" is moot.

It's something that takes practice, is all. But, given my above statements, even if I were to QTE and EQTE when I wanted to you wouldn't find me doing it ever. The chance of getting MC on it is too risky for my taste.

 

i also practice the evade quad TE i've finished every challenge mode exercise infact (*whey* for me, give me a big ass lolly /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif) - i find it makes it easier or harder on the direction sequence you chose, the trick i find works for me is:

1.++ ~
first becasue it would be the hardest to end with seing as it is a little out of the way.

2. ++ ~ ++, ~
it's a quick tug horizontally, and flows better one after the other.

3.+ ~
slam like crazy!!!!, no doubt through out the exercise, you'll be mashing these two buttons anywayz, ending with it is a peice of cake, it's almost like a triple TE with extra insurance. /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif

summarise: ~ ,,,(neutral)

P.S, yeah the burn marks and smoke rising off my namco stick after ryan was using it last showed me that he was quad TEing like it was one button^_^

 

Yah just slammin' & bangin mostly does the trick
I do while holding the stick between thumb & top fingers:
1.+ easy jah
2.+ just release thumb grip & slam fingers down
3.+ just pull the tops of your fingers towards the palm of your hand
Thing is that makin the move fast, the computer most likely will registrate & so you can always skip step nr.2 , and go for only /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif 3 TE's ofcourse

 

slammin and bangin doesn't work for me at all, you have to input the commands so precisely and quickly mashing usually ends up in one a single TE if even that. when do you start putting in your throw escape commands? like i use Aoi (my main character) and her elbows and stuff are throw counterable so now i'm escaping throws a lot but i seem to buffer them in too soon and miss my first input somehow.

 

i try for E-TTEG for the most part.. usually i only get two out.

usually i just remember the 2 most important ones for each opponent and then try to practice them while the game loads

 

It is definitely possible to do EQTEG without a whiffed throw animation.. I've done it myself and I've seen ryan do it first hand. It's not something up for argument.
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