Eileen cancel and interrupt moves

great stuff. I think you meant to put a P after the 3 in the last few lines there.

 

Thank you for doing this. I will mess around with this later. I'm glad you added the info about 9P+K+G P being immune to 11f P at +14. That is useful knowledge when planning interrupt strings. I guess 9P+K+G P is gonna be more common now =)

 

I just noticed you didn't test this out using 6PP too.

 

This is good stuff. Does 6P+K P mean 6 P+K. Also could you figure out the actual execution on 9p+k+g p or K. the frame data doesnt encorporate the jump frames and theres no indication on what frame it cancels. its somewhere between 5 and 13 im guessing. as well as when the 236p+k flip cancels is not shown

 

6P+KP means exactly what it says. There is no more canceling out of 6P+K that's gone. The list is really just to let you know what advantage you get for canceling these moves, so you can make good choices of what might be a good move to cancel with.

The monkey twist when canceled into is the same execution as is listed in the frame data. Monkey twist P from a cancel situation is 11 frames exe. The zenk options are the same way.

 

From some testing today I found how many frames Zenk takes before you can get an attack to come out. Since it's frames aren't listed in the command list I figured time to learn what it is when done from fastest timing possible. It's 32 frames so any low attack that has a total of 33 or more frames total exe will get caught with zenk K.

Test was:

BT P+K on CH when canceled gives eileen +21 frames. So eileen has enough time to zenk K and beat out 11 frame jabs before she gets hit. But if she has +20 frames like after 43P+K NH she will get jabbed out the air before zenk K comes out. So after a bit of math I found that zenk K takes 32 frames to execute (airborn from frame 1).

 

http://lettuce1789.blog133.fc2.com/blog-entry-1077.html

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...FM5ZGpGMEJJcHFDWjc5ZzVKS3F5Mnc&hl=en_US#gid=0

Is this information the same as that presented in this thread?

 

I believe marly was trying to recreate this information. He told me someone showed him some kinda spreadsheet like this at Evo but wasn't able to keep it or something. I'm guessing this is what he was talking about. I can't read the kanji but it looks like it's talking about very similar stuff.

Do you know what 硬化
空振り時ガード時ヒット時 mean?

 

They refer to counter hit, guard, and hit, in that order.

 

what is 硬化 tho? It's the header that goes above the CH, Guard, Hit (strange ass way to order things btw.)

 

It's difficult for me to provide a direct translation. It just refers to the recovery of the moves under the heading.

 

K. It's going to take me quite a bit of time to process what all this stuff is going to mean in terms of mixups available. Man it's almost overwhelming the amount of new information you just dumped on us .

 

Adding to this list.

Interrupt move true execution
2P+K+GP・・・(The actual numerical value) 51F（2P+K+G＝35F＋16F）
2P+K+GK・・・(The actual numerical value) 50F（2P+K+G＝35F＋15F）
6P+K+GP・・・(The actual numerical value) 39F（6P+K+G＝21F＋18F）
6P+K+GK・・・(The actual numerical value) 36F（6P+K+G＝21F＋15F）
6P+K+GK+G・・・(The actual numerical value) 39F（6P+K+G＝21F＋18F）
8P+K+GP・・・(The actual numerical value) 46F（8P+K+G＝30F＋16F）
8P+K+GK・・・(The actual numerical value) 46F（8P+K+G＝30F＋16F）
9P+K+GP・・・(The actual numerical value) 25F（9P+K+G＝14F＋11F）
9P+K+GK・・・(The actual numerical value) 28F（9P+K+G＝14F＋14F）

cancel move true execution
214P・・・20F
236P・・・30F
214K・・・25F
236K・・・19F
214P+KP・・・(The actual numerical value) 45F（214P+K＝26F＋19F）
214P+KK・・・(The actual numerical value) 45F（214P+K＝26F＋19F）
214P+K2K・・・(The actual numerical value) 44F（214P+K＝26F＋18F）
236P+KP・・・(The actual numerical value) 41F（236P+K＝28F＋13F？）
236P+KK・・・(The actual numerical value) 32F（236P+K＝20F＋12F？）
236P+K2K・・・(The actual numerical value) 54F（236P+K＝36F＋18F）
236P+K3K・・・(The actual numerical value) 52F（236P+K＝36F＋16F）
236P+KP+G・・・(The actual numerical value) 33F？（236P+K＝30F＋3F？）
214K+G・・・18F
236K+G・・・25F



True Cancelation Frame adv
PP・・・G=+10F／NH=+12F／CH=+18F 　※Side +2F
PPP・・・G=+11F／NH=+11F／CH=+23F　※Side +2F
P3P・・・G=+9F／NH=+11F／CH=+15F　※Side +3F
214PP・・・G=+14F／NH=+14F／CH=+22F　※Side +2F
3P・・・G=+15F／NH=+17F／CH=+25F　※Side +3F
4PP・・・G=+14F／NH=+15F／CH=+20F　※Side +2F
6PP・・・G=+9F／NH=+10F／CH=+15F　※Side +2F
1P+K・・・G=+16F／NH=+19F／CH=+24F　※Side +2F
2_3P+K・・・G=+3F　※Side +3F
4P+K・・・G=+14F／NH=+17F／CH=+23F　※Side +3F
43P+K・・・G=+15F／NH=+20F／CH=+22F　※Side +3F
6P+KP・・・G=+13F／NH=+13F／CH=+23F　※Side +2F
4K+G・・・G=+7F／NH=+10F／CH=+14F　※Side +3F
6K+G・・・G=+11F／NH=+13F／CH=+16F　※Side +6F
8P+K+GPP・・・G=+8F／NH=+11F／CH=+18F　※Side +2F
Back Turned 2KP・・・G=+8F／NH=+11F／CH=+16F　※Side +2F
Back Turned P+K・・・G=+11F／NH=+17F／CH=+21F　※Side +3F

True Interrupt Frame adv

PP・・・G=+11F／NH=+13F／CH=+19F 　※Side +2F
PPP・・・G=+10F／NH=+10F／CH=+22F　※Side +2F
P3P・・・G=+9F／NH=+11F／CH=+15F　※Side +3F
214PP・・・G=+14F／NH=+14F／CH=+22F　※Side +2F
3P・・・G=+13F／NH=+15F／CH=+23F　※Side +3F
4PP・・・G=+14F／NH=+15F／CH=+20F　※Side +2F
6PP・・・G=+9F／NH=+10F／CH=+15F　※Side +2F
1P+K・・・G=+14F／NH=+17F／CH=+22F　※Side +2F
2_3P+K・・・G=+3F　※Side +3F
4P+K・・・G=+14F／NH=+17F／CH=+23F　※Side +3F
43P+K・・・G=+15F／NH=+20F／CH=+22F　※Side +3F
6P+KP・・・G=+13F／NH=+13F／CH=+23F　※Side +2F
4K+G・・・G=+7F／NH=+10F／CH=+14F　※Side +3F
6K+G・・・G=+11F／NH=+13F／CH=+16F　※Side +6F
8P+K+GPP・・・G=+8F／NH=+11F／CH=+18F　※Side +2F
Back Turned 2KP・・・G=+8F／NH=+11F／CH=+16F　※Side +2F
Back Turned P+K・・・G=+11F／NH=+17F／CH=+21F　※Side +3F

list was pulled from a jp eileen player site. Can't remember who's.

 

I'm a little confused... Hopefully you can clear this up to me with this example: pp214p

Going by the data in-game, I'm at -6 after a blocked pp, and since 214p is 20f it would take 26f to execute... But in actuality since I'm cancelling into it I'm at +10 after pp and therefore 214p takes 10f to execute? Am I understanding correct?

 

yes