El Blaze Help

Yo! Every time I'm in a fight with somebody it seems like Blaze just moves slower than everyone else. Like he has he has some of the slowest moving punches and kicks in the game because i keep getting out hit by like Lei, Aoi, Pai, Lau, Jacky, Kage, and Shun every freaken time! Also what moves are safe on block? Like if i throw it out and they block, it is difficult/near impossible to counter attack with? Blaze has like no good mix up combos, aside from like , he doesn't have much of anything. His Tiger step is like total trash, no evasive properties, slow as dirt, and the moves that come out of it do little damage. I love Blaze to death and I'd to see my Favorite character fall to these other characters because the others have superior moves. What should I do to step my game up!?!

 

I'm not sure why you would think this. His basic striking attacks are average in terms of frames. I couldn't say for sure without watching you play but you may be attempting to attack at disadvantage.

This may be an unsatisfying answer but you should probably start trying to memorize frame data.

The thing to remember with Blaze is that he is a wrestler, albeit a very unconventional one. His close range mix ups are usually between mid attacks and throws with a few guard breaks.

Tiger step is typically meant to pressure a tech rolling opponent rather than one who is standing. It would be overpowered if it had defensive properties. Applying tiger step correctly will usually make your opponent hesitant to tech roll allowing you to attempt a ground throw, down attack or in some instances allow you to scrape more damage off of a knocked down opponent.

It would be difficult for me to tell you what you need to improve on without having seen you play but if you have any more specific questions I'll try to answer them as best I can.

 

WOW, thanks! Big help, I saw you awhile back fight Tricky, in fact I still have your video of you vs Tricky Favorited so I can watch it over to get some tips.

 

Learn to us some basic mixups and you'll find yourself doing much better.

Things like doing then can halt so much and is effective at any level of play. The mixup is that once they begin to respect the elbow you can use throws instead

Always think with "elbow or throw" in mind, that is the most fundamental mixup in the game. All the other flashy nonsense can come later.

It's a good idea to check thw top ten moves thread as it can help you see what other Blaze players like to use and usually why they like to use them. Take a look at each of these moves in the dojo and get a feel for them. People consider them key moves for a reason.


Stripping him back to the bare essentials here are the things that you should use regularly and often when starting with blaze:

- Basic punch kick, leaves you at +4 on hit allowing you to apply that basic mid/throw mixup.

- the fastest move he has. on hit it allows you to use that mid/throw mixup once again very useful for stopping someone from overwhelming you with strings. You'll find that the more a player respects this movebin their playstyle the better they will be. It is the great equaliser.

- Your fastest mid aka "elbow". Use this at advantage, it is safe and is fast enough that you''ll beat out most offensive options when you have advantage. So after you hit someone with any of these moves which lead to a mid/throw mixup or after you block something your opponent does. (There are exceptions but worry about them later)

THROW - He has a bunch of them, learn to do at least one of input throws ending in each direction. Mix uo with that elbow and when you do throws don't always go for the same one!

+ - full circular, if your opponent evades a lot use this. On hit use mid/throw mixup.


These tools alone along with some basic defense will helo you understand the flow of the game much more quickly as you will be playing very 'clean' if thay makes any sense. Don't worry so much about doing huge combos or crazy half rocket discharge, backturned, neutral jump mixups as they will only slow you down.

If you are able to upload any videos of you playing or anyone else is able to do it for you then I'm sure myself and the guys here would be hapoy to help out!

 

This actually isn't true, you can't force nitaku at +4 as they will be able to fuzzy, even Taka. What you can do, however, is either immediate low throw to outright beat fuzzy or delayed normal throw to catch it. Course they can always abare or evade, which in case 8P+K is great if they like to mash 2P, or the delayed throw option again as it will also catch a failed evade or ECD.

As for full circulars, I'd almost say to use 4PK over K+G as that string is pretty ridiculous; The first punch is already a circular and the following kick is a mid full circular, which is -13 on block but that don't mean shit because you can either continue to 4PKP to beat any PK punishment attempt, or go into RD for a mixup if they freeze afterwards due to 4PKP. Mindgames! Course they can just 2P after 4PK to punish it as 4PKP is high, but who does that?

PS. Voted Blaze as low tier warrior. Deal with it.

 

I see how you took what is a very basic introduction to a character and the game mehanics and attempted to over complicate it.

Gj

 

I took your basic introduction with false information and corrected it. No matter if you're trying to instruct a beginner you shouldn't give wrong information even under the threat of said beginner getting scared by the wealth of it, the sooner they learn the ropes the better they can become.

 

Yes, because everything in this paragraph will be understandable to someone who barely knows the system.

Simplify, man, simplify.

 

If they barely know the system, that's what the Wiki is for, or the other countless repositories of knowledge this forum holds.

 

Well you're right, next time I'll just point straight to the Wiki. Maybe my inner writer got a little loose there.

And of course you're right about nitaku "working" from +4, just that fuzzy negates it completely so it's kind of pointless to apply it and thus also pointless to advice it.

 

But if you never do normal throws at +4, why would anyone keep fuzzying and eating low throws?

 

I'll try to upload a fight or 2 here and there so I can get some pointers. Anybody know how I can go about uploading these videos? Like any software I need?

 

i made simple blaze punishment vids if you want to see where you have advantage on punishing attacks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4VT2l69MCg&list=PL599500E166EB33F2

keep in mind though that some attacks have followup attacks that can hit you out of your attack. i just added everything that was able to be punished if the attacker stops with that particular move. also some moves can be punished with bigger hits but i just wanted to keep things simple, for example many punishes that i use p+kpp with can also be punished with 2_6p+k if you can buffer it fast enough.

 

Thanks man, I'mma check it out.

 

el blaze is certainly not slow. Your back forward punch is 13 frames but ducks under highs for 5 frames. Also your up P+K hops over low attacks even at being negative 5 frames. I use these moves quite a bit, sounds like youre missing them from your game!

 

Here are a couple matches of Shironuko taking out some of the top Japanese players at Evo 2012 with his El Blaze -- definitely not a slow character, but he has a bunch of slow and unsafe moves. Mashing and/or finishing strings will definitely leave you open for punishment. El Blaze is more of a glass cannon, high damage potential, but also high risk. Lots of good tech in these videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYSF_62N888

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPSzZWLW_Nc

 

unrelated i need help with sometime! what does blaze do against characters with otg stances (example vanessa. shun and lei feis attacks while lying on the ground). I find the only reliable thing is 2p but id like something better to scare them out of doing it. thanks!

 

2p is a pretty good option, and it will float her enough for a 6pk or even k k k if you're in the right stance (I believe it's closed stance). If I really want to discourage someone, I'll use jumping p, which is fun and pretty demoralizing. I've found a backdash into 9p works pretty consistently and beats most of vanessa's options from her ground stance. Haven't tried it too much on shun or lei.