ETEG

Good morning guys...I'm new to the site but not new to VF. Not much competition here in Chicago so I just play the Kumite mode on the hardest setting. I'll get righ to the point. I can execute the ETEG but the problem I have is when to apply it. Meaning I don't know when to use it. I still wind up getting thrown way too much. Also entering the multiple commands for the different escpaes is a bit of tasks as well. So all in all I just need to know when I should apply it...ie low punch, mid stagger, or jab->throw. Thanks for your time.

 

is there a way to do TEG without an actual throw coming out?

example, you /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif(opponent guarded, and duck), TEG mistakingly whiff your opponent and comes out as a throw instead, leaving you open.

 

Thanks for the response Myke and Akai. I appreciate the help. I really want to up my game to the next level, and I know this is the part of my game that is lacking. Question though...Do you think I should play Evo's training mode or can I just play VF5 and apply the techniques there; since Evo is much more defined to practice my ETEG's? Or does it not matter?

 

Hmm..how do I say this..TEG should already be doing what you are asking. What I mean is by doing TEG/ETEG, no throw should be coming out at all. If you just did TE, then yes, a throw will come out if your opponent did not throw but if you are doing TEG properly, your throw should never happen.

I'm guessing that you are not letting off of the P (while holding G) quick enough which is why you are seeing whiffed throws instead of your character blocking.

does that make sense?

 

omg yuukun you noob, you shoulda just asked me! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eek.gif
It shows you how in evo tutorial mode /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif
Some reasons for not doing it,
people just forget to hold the G after
or they can't be bothed cause they know they won't get punished, or their finger wasn't fast enough while trying to buffer in all the directions, I like the last reason best /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif
you mostly see it on te on reaction, with no evade I guess, if you yomi correct but the range/spacing seems to be wrong and you see the throw come out.

 

hehehe...

i already told you i never went through the EVO tutorials or look up frames for each move. i only just started to read frames. i've always played with reflexes and experience, not technical standpoint. i'm a advanced noob!! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/blush.gif

i believe it's better to play the game as much as possible without technical knowledge, then read about it after you are comfortable with the system.

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actually Optimus, thinking about it now... i did go through the mission mode and some of the basic tutorials in Evo, but never played the challenge mode nor taken much time on these modes overall.

however, i have developed a habit to ETEG as much as i can. but standing without evading, using TEG is were i go wrong and most likely reason is forgotten to let the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif go fast enough while holding guard. the error comes from multiple throw escapes (mentioned by later posts).

 

In Japan they'd call you a "fantasy" player I think, but I think yoru half fantasy half moral, no wonder we've had so many crazy matches /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

 

Actually, I believe it would be rare to see an advanced or even intermediate player make this mistake often. I say this because it seems like an exe error. While high level players still make exe errors from time to time, exe is essentially basic. And since this command is somewhat simple, an advanced player would rarely produce a throw in this case without intent. (choosing the wrong escape, I could see).

Don't take the above the wrong way as it is not a knock towards you...just trying to give you a clearer understanding. Overall, an advanced player should never produce a throw if the intent is eteg (very rare if at all) since it is a fundamental and simple command. Once you become accustomed to it, keeping the throw animation from occuring should be easy / second nature. (like i mentioned above though, actually escaping the opponents throw is another case).

Keep at it until it's second nature and the unwanted throw animation never happens.

 

AFAIK in VF4 you couldn't TEG after a non throw counterable move (like most characters 3+K, so maybe this example should be used just to explain ETEG) except for throw that could be TR. I guess this is true for VF5 (not sure on the TR point, and I don't have the game yet).
From my very few ours of VF5 play I would say whiffed throw animation for unapropriate TEG or bad timed TE comes out even when you entered your TE an hour ago lol. But that may have someting with the fact that I keep on doing TEG after Lion upper is guarded.

 

TEG or ETEG, it makes no difference. You can stop your character from doing the throw animation with any buffered throw escape as far as I know.

 

Akai, I agree that it's more likely to happen with multiple throw escapes as opposed to one throw escape. That's going to be the case either way regardless of TEG/ETEG. The more input, the more room for error / chance to miss your window. For that case, it is up to the player to know how many escapes they can enter accurately without overshooting the window. The actual command itself however is not any more difficult or lenient.

 

Yep, my point was more about the fact that in VF4 you cannot do TEG after a non throw counterable move is guarded (except for TRable throws iirc), so the 3+K example should not apply to TEG as it's often uncounterable. Am I wrong ? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif

 

I remember trying by myself in training mode and thinking it was possible then coming on #vfhome and being told it wasn't possible and I was doing it wrong lol
I tested again but I wasn't sure of the results (hard to be sure even in Evo training mode ). So I took what I was told as the truth.
Anyway maybe it has changed in VF5 and I don't want to be too much off topic, so feel free to ignore what I said, I just wanted to warn GameFX not to try TEG after non TC moves as it's not easiest way to begin TE training. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

 

I just wanted to say thanks for all the replies and to the repliers... You guys have been a great help. The EVO training mode seems to be more detailed than the one in VF5. Practiced for about two hours and was getting TEG and ETEG's pretty good. No where near where I want to, but as always that comes with time. This game is not as tough as I was told it was, but the learning curve is still larger than any other fighter I've played. Im an ole school SF player so go figure. Thanks once again. Now only if I had some decent competition in Chicago.

 

best thing to do it go to your throw escape training mode.

then go to your throw escape challenge mode.



ETEG is best practiced against moves that track, or canned half circulars. the training mode gives you jacky (well, just the character is self explanitory )


(edit.. i just realized we are talking about VF5 in the VF5 forum)

(edit again... i have no home anymore >__<)*