EVADE advantage Master List

Update: Universal numbers for P and 2p (6p and 3k may vary slighty for some characters) For other moves, you can check out Mykes thread on figuring evade adv. (Ex.Total f of move evaded, minus 23 for evade , minus your disadv. when you evaded)


Advantage after evading Punch (from...)

-1 = +3
-2= +2
-3= +1
-4= 0
-5= -1
-6= -2
-7= -3
-8= -4
-9= -5
(Etc.)

After evading 2p (from...)

-1= +9
-2= +8
-3= +7
-4= +6
-5= +5
-6= +4
-7= +3
-8= +2
-9= +1
(Etc)

After evading 6p (from...)

-1= +12
-2= +11
-3= +10
-4= +9
-5= +8
-6= +7
-7= +6
-8= +5
-9= +4
(Etc)

After evading 3k (from...)

-1= +18
-2= +17
-3= +16
-4= +15
-5= +14
-6= +13
-7= +12
-8= +11
-9= +10
Notes: If your 3k is not linear 16f, then the numbers are likely different.

If your 6p is not 14f, the numbers are likely different.

The execution of the move is not the only factor in its evade recovery, half circular 16f is way more punishable than linear 16f.(Only because it has more total frames)

 

Adjusting for Side Turned (ST)

Only when the player who is sideways evades, that player gets 3f less of an adv. then normal.

Example. I have been hit with a side turning move (and now I am side turned) . Opponent Punches , I guard (I am ST -4 now) Opponent elbows 6p , and I Evade it....

I evaded a 6p from -4 (normally I'd be +9) since it all happened from me being ST , I am only +6.

 

I didn't get pass algebra in school, can someone please explain this to me.....

 

This stuff is more important than people give it credit for. The essence of FS is sideturned and knowing your advantage after evading really helps solidify your vf game. on top of that if you know your character specific sidelock... its game over man

 

You know how you can be +5 advantage after guarding 2p, well this can tell you what advantage you have after evading 2p.

The only tricky thing is that its affected by how negative you were when you evaded in the first place.

e.g. You (Akira) elbow, I (kage) guard it, then elbow. You evade my elbow.

Now that you evaded, what advantage do you have?

You were at negative -5 when you evaded my elbow (cuz i guaded your elbow) And the list says when you evade 6p from -5 you get a +8 advantage .

Meaning after that evade , Your (akira) 19f moves like 46p+k will beat anything I have. (My fastest is 11f)

 

Oh ok. So your showing what advantage and disadvantage i have on evade and evade after blocking certain moves right

 

Yes, after a certain move is blocked, or after you were just hit, you will be at a certain disadvantage (usually). What disadvantage you were at when you evade AND what the move was that you evaded both determine what advantage you have just after the evade.

The list assumes you evaded as early as possible (1st possible frame/buffered). For every frame late you are evading, you will have a frame less of advantage after the evade.

 

Wolf's isnt half circular. I think would be a true side kick.

 

Thanks Myke i was wondering how to do the formula for advantage. Does evading always take 23 frames?

 

yeah sidekicks are pretty different across the cast. Nice list though.

 

Thnx Myke, great to know, I respectfully disagree. For me at least, this took it from having to do math mid match, and brought it into the same "headspace" as normal advantage/disadv. On guard.

And these universals (p 2p, most 6p, many 3k) are so common, that they can and should be hard wired into memory. I would never have succeded in that by doin a 23 shift and somehow remembering total frames. It just works infinetely better for me, I suspect it will for others as well.

 

Yeah i was referring to Lions. In my "test" Ak,Ka,Pai, 3k all 16f all had same result. I figured the different ones would differ, I hadnt realized the total frames would account for the exact same frame difference. Makes sense now.

 

Let's be real... the main purpose to research data on 3K after successful evade is to look to do a Side Counter Hit crumple (or to a lesser extent -- a guaranteed side throw for another topic altogether), which is 3K for most characters. I doubt a player would be doing 3K after evade if that player knows doing so cannot possibly cause a Side CH crumple. However, my issue is that not all characters can cause a side crumple with Side Counter Hit 3K.

Wolf uses 4K to get Side CH crumple; Goh uses plain K; Lei-Fei uses shoulder; Pai can use side kick or shoulder; Jeffry uses head butt, Taka can use side kick or head butt, etc.

Aoi's 3K executes one frame slower than other characters (17f).

At any rate, the formula Myke posted listing opponent total frames make the most sense because it can be applied seamlessly into potential double-evade and triple-evade situations as well.

Eh, all the number-crunching to research this topic -- while admirable -- seem sort of excessive to me.

Kruza

 

With respect, how come no one punishes P,6P with evade, 11f punish, or their -1, 12f equivolent? Basically Im saying No One I play utilizes this info, if they know it, they dont utilize it. I had been told of the 23f equation. But I never put it to practical use. Not the way i put a blocked 2p 's +5 to practical use. This has achieved that goal for me, and I suspect...again... many others (that wont admit it) The other way requires me to remember 2 numbers per attack, and realisticaly I would have to already have done the math and remembered the resulting adv., well thats what this list did FOR you. Just remember the final number , thats what works for me.