Evo Ver.B Command List Updates

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KTD said:

Also, there is a misprint in the evo data (I'm pretty gd sure), it has the double dodging poke on major counter at -10, when on hit it's -9??? /versus/images/graemlins/confused.gif Also, the half moon kick sweeping hands is -10 on mc and -3 on hit. It also doesn't list lunging sweep as circular (it doesn't have the x). That's all ic right now

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LION errata:
Complete Guide listed lunging sweep as evadeable, but after checking it out in free training mode, you are right that Lion's Lunging Sleep + cannot be evaded as is his Turning Sweep +. Myke can you put in the 'x' in the evade column for these two moves.

As for his Double Dodging Peck . Complete Guide and 1/60th website both have the same frame data...so beats me.

Half Moon Kick Sweeping Hands + is also "correct" according to Complete Guide. 1/60th website have no frame data for the move so cannot have a second source for confirmation.

So for these two moves, take the frame data with caution.

Oh yeah...please do not relate me to Lion /versus/images/graemlins/confused.gif ...even without his "French voice"
he is still pretty gay. /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Yeah, there is most likely mistakes here and there or strange frame data that I really have not check if they are valid (Even though 1/60th or the Complete Guide listed it as such). So any thoughts or mistakes found would be appreciated as the movelists is basically a work in progress.

Thanks for your Thanks

 

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akai said:

LION errata:
Complete Guide listed lunging sweep as evadeable, but after checking it out in free training mode, you are right that Lion's Lunging Sleep + cannot be evaded as is his Turning Sweep +. Myke can you put in the 'x' in the evade column for these two moves.

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Corrected.

 

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kimheng said:
Just a note:Aoi's + doesn't sabaki MP,HP,or elbow! /versus/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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AOI errata:
Yeah you are right about the move not being able to sabaki any type of punches. In addition, after testing in training mode, the Chin Slap is a sabaki for sidekicks and knees...so the move can sabaki HK, MK, SK, KN.

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I'm sure when shin slap sabakies successfully after Aoi is -8 and less(so after a throw counterable move),+,is garanteed but if more than -7(-6,-5 etc...),nothing is garanteed and it seems that when I try to throw,it wiffs....I think it would be interesing to know how many frames this sabaki givesI

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I'm not sure what you are trying to say, but nothing is guarantee after the sabaki, and Aoi is at an advantage. I do not think the frames differ after a successful sabaki in relation to the frames listed in the Hit Column, but I could be wrong.

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see her +, gives +15!
I usually do , garanteed for 20 damage and +2 advantage but now,i note that (exe 14 frames so high kick is garanteed!? /versus/images/graemlins/blush.gif) gives more damage (25!) and also +2 frames on hit /versus/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

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I think gives you 30 points of damage, its better than doing only , and have more options too (example , throw).

 

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akai said:

AOI errata:
Yeah you are right about the move not being able to sabaki any type of punches. In addition, after testing in training mode, the Chin Slap is a sabaki for sidekicks and knees...so the move can sabaki HK, MK, SK, KN.

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Corrected.

 

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kimheng said:

I check frame data and i can infer that in case of -6 to -10 frames disvantage,the sabaki gives more than +24 and the shin slap doesn't hit

it seems that blocked is -6 but and + too,so why after the knee,the sabaki gives more advantage?


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I'm not an expert...and I am not able to watch the vids..so I don't know. But i am sure that on succesful sabaki that also connects as a hit will give u +4 advantage only. Maybe sucessful sabaki but with a whiffed hit for some strange reason gives you an overwhelmingly advantage (Does your vid have motion information displayed? That can give you an idea of estimated frame advantage which should be noticeable from the examples given above). I do not think the frame disadvantage Aoi has have an effect on the sabaki, but maybe the moves put Aoi in different positions. But this is all guesses from me....

 

Hey Andy, I'm guessing you're testing this against the CPU eh? If you record and playback CPU Pai doing - low throw against you, you'll find that you can attack Pai before the low throw connects, and so I don't think it's guaranteed.

But, since it does cause a shin crush on MC (which makes them crouch), if they do nothing but hold then the low throw will get them before they're fully standing.

 

No worries dude. In fact, Goh's animates exactly the same as Pai's , it also results in a shin crush on MC, but Goh gets the guaranteed low throw whereas Pai doesn't. Tough break eh! /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

do you know what exactly is messed up with the swallow kick frame data? since i do not see anything wrong with it.