Feet Position Change

I been working on close and open stance combos. After fighting alot of games yesterday i came across a player who always changed stances so it made it hard for me check open and close stance as often. I was thinking perhaps if people can list me their characters and the moves that switch feet position thanks. I think evry character has about 5-10 or so, not much.. so ur help is much appreciated thanks.

thanks to chief flash/seidon/Haretisch so far for the CONTRIBUTION.
WOLF: 1 K+G, 8 K+G, 41236P+K, 63214P+k , 3 K+G, 4 3 P, KK
EILEEN: P+K and 1 P+K
BT 2 K does also
JACKY:
6_K with Jacky changes stance if you don't turn it into an iageri.
P+K+G changes with Jacky.
goh:
4P changes with Jacky. But I think doing 4P1P changes it again.

 

For Eileen,
Off the top of my head, I can think of P+K and 1 P+K
I THINK BT 2 K does also, if you take account of BT position...

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OK so back from work to the dojo I get this :




( reverts to starting position)


( reverts...)





+



+
+ (+ reverts...)
+ (+ reverts...)
+

+
+
+
+
+

++

DM + (depends on direction)
OM

+ or (depends on direction)
+ or (always right leg forward)
+ from right
+ from behind

BT
BT
BT (stays BT)
BT
BT +
BT +

 

KK changes stance with Wolf as well.

6_K with Jacky changes stance if you don't turn it into an iageri.

Obviously, P+K+G changes with Jacky.

4P changes with Jacky. But I think doing 4P1P changes it again.

 

Akira


/

_

/


+/+
+
+
+/
+
++
++/
DM + (depends which way you go)
OM
++
++ delay / (continues to switch stances as long as you continue)
++
+++/

Throws
+
+/_ (depends on the direction you choose)
+/+/_/+ (once again, depends on the direction picked)
+
side +

Reversals
High right/left punch/kick
Mid right punch
left side kick
Low punch/kick
++

fuck BT

After a quick run through dojo. Will do other characters if no one else steps up (as usual).

(will be deleted within 8 hours, lololol)

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Aoi

/Tenchi

_ strings (depends on direction)
/
/
::+
++
:+
++

/
+
+
+
_+ strings (depends on direction)
+++
+
+/
+
DM + (depends on direction)
OM (depends on direction)

Throws
+__ (depends on direction)
won't do the chain throw because it is a waste of move
+
+
+
+
Left side +/low
++

Reversals
High left kick
High/Mid/low double punch/kick
Left mid kick
Right side kick
Back flip (it is an honor to have this landed on you)
Low kick
Tenchi vs side kick/knee

Downed
+
Low throws and shit

Fuck BT

 

well not just for combos. I remember there was this full circular kick that kept switching stances.. I think, but the next move i wanted to go to his stomach, if i would have know if that move switched, i can then evade his belly with easier anticipation.

But i remember watching a vid posted by johoseph about watching the foot position when they are launched or slammed, i should watch that again for combo purposes. But i was mostly concerned with evading afterwards front or back. for example, jeff and lei if they change position, i wanna be able to go to their belly. and perhaps maybe knowing beforehand if im gonna be in close stance to shoulder

wow CGB THANKS MUCH MUCH APPRECIATED!!!

 

I see your point a bit myke, but...
I know for me it could really help me. I would rather know what stance my opponent is in, and then use moves as a cue to when it switches. I think this definitely is valuable knowledge, so long as u are using it to compliment what u see on the game, and not replace it.

 

You should be checking the foot position while playing. It's good to develop this skill and easier than commiting to memory the moves that switch foot position.


Brad









(Sort of. Ends back turned)



/ (Towards Brad's stomach)
Ducking (Along with the fully charged variant)
Slipping Left (Switch occus during the recovery)
Slipping Left / (Phasing Turn entered from Slipping Right)
Slipping Left
Slipping Left (Switch occurs during the attack and switches again during the recovery)
Long Ducking
Long Ducking
Long Ducking
Long Ducking
Long Ducking (Sort of. Ends back turned)
Slipping Right / (Phasing Turn entered from Slipping Right)
Phasing Turn -> Ducking/Slipping (Doesn't change foot position unless a derivative stance is entered into)
Sway Back
Back Turned // (Sort of. Ends front facing the opponent)
Opponent Down

No point in mentioning his throws. The foot position resets when they're used.


Here's an explanation of the "sort of" comments. If, for example, Brad's right foot is forward with his back facing the foreground, using these moves will cause Brad to end up with his right foot forward with his stomach facing the foreground. He's still going to be in the open or closed foot position (I guess).


169mackfactor, it's the kinds of quirks I mentioned in this post for why it's a better idea to react to the opponent's position instead of anticipating. It's easier than remembering the moves and reacting to the particular moves used.

 

There are moves like Akira's which change Akira's stance on guard & crouch guard but change both character's foot positions on hit (ie the situation for combos is unchanged but the situation for "this guy always dm's 2/8" does change). It's helpful to know what moves of yours change your stance to trap dm'ing opponents for your Kenka hook or whatever but I agree that some of this represents a bit of the 'ol unnecessary information overload.

 

Lion


+ + (reverts to starting stance)
(no matter what side/starting stance, always puts player back towards screen)
(no matter what side/starting stance, always puts player belly towards screen)



+ +

(reverts to starting stance)



+
+
+
+ + + (reverts to starting stance)
+ (no matter what side/starting stance, always puts player back towards screen)
+ (no matter what side/starting stance, always puts player belly towards screen)
+
+
+
+
+
+
+ + (no matter what side/starting stance, always puts player back towards screen)
+ + (no matter what side/starting stance, always puts player belly towards screen)
/ + +
+ + + (no matter what side/starting stance, always puts player belly towards screen)
+ + + (no matter what side/starting stance, always puts player back towards screen)
+ (DMPK) (no matter what side/starting stance, always puts player belly towards screen)
+ (DMPK) (no matter what side/starting stance, always puts player back towards screen)
+ + (no matter what side/starting stance, always puts player belly towards screen)
+ + (no matter what side/starting stance, always puts player back towards screen)
/ + +
From Kanpo
From Kanpo
From Tourou Soufu
From Tourou Soufu
From Tourou Soufu + (no matter what side/starting stance, always recovers belly towards screen)
From Tourou Maifuku
From Tourou Maifuku
+ (no matter what side/starting stance, always recovers back towards screen)
+
+ (no matter what side/starting stance, always recovers belly towards screen)
+ (no matter what side/starting stance, always recovers belly towards screen)
+ (no matter what side/starting stance, always recovers belly towards screen)
+ (no matter what side/starting stance, always recovers belly towards screen)
+ (no matter what side/starting stance, always recovers belly towards screen)

Got bored doing the throws, most of them seem to end on one specific foot position regardless of where you start. Only useful for oki.

 

Awesome guys!!! ill add goh tonight after i get off work
i hope i can use this info and get better.
thanks, keep it coming guys!!
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When I performed testing a while back on how to avoid down attacks after throws, I tried finding out if foot position mattered. I found that the foot position reset after the throws to the default position. You're saying it's after some throws? I thought that it was after every throw.

But if this is true, I don't understand how it affects the development of oki tactics after each throw. I don't think it matters whether your stomach is facing the background or the foreground. It's just trial and error testing in Dojo Mode.

 

Open and closed stance matters more than just during combos and evades. Certain moves, like shoulder rams, can hit differently depending on whether or not you are in open or closed stance against your opponent. So recognizing stance in situations where you would use a move, like a shoulder ram, that hits differently because of stance, can be very important. Minami Akira would specifically set himself up for closed and open stance constantly throughout matches (usually open for f,f+kk float combos probably). Some of his stepping techniques had stance switches built into them. This is a level of VF though that pretty much no one plays at besides a select few elite.

Obviously in the heat of a match there are many things going on in VF. You have to read if your opponent tends to play morally or abare, if they like to ETEG a lot, if they evade in only one direction, and what throw or striking attacks they like to use. Also you must worry about ring spacing, end of round tactics, and the list goes on and on. Paying attention to stance at all times is probably something reserved for only the most elite players. So yeah, 'too taxing', is certainly accurate for the majority of players. Realistically most people would be better off spending time working on fundamentals and execution rather than focusing on this single aspect.

Other than Minami Akira and Game Center Arashi I can't think of too many players who were able to focus on stance at every sequence during a round. And those guys are (were for Minami) the top players of the most elite.

VF is so deep it's incredible.

 

Im surprised at you being so negative. But I guess Kage doesnt have many stance-specific combos at all so you havent had to deal with it. With Akira Im constantly watching stances myself.. Have to if you wanna catch evades with semicirculars and I admit it tends to get bit random. I wouldnt say its tiring if you get used to it. With Sarah who changes stance a lot I admit I check it mainly at launch though.

Im not sure if these lists help per se, but knowing which moves change stances is beneficial. Although I believe there are more important aspects for beginning players. With certain characters ability to do stancespecific combos has a tremendous impact on damage output.

 

That does sound like good advice for me.

I imagine if I could repeat my same competency training in quest mode with all the other characters; like with Akira, a lot of the stance and other info would sink in subliminally; by virtue of seeing all scenarios from both opponents viewpoints.

I would hope that was the developer's purpose of quest mode, using varying AI styles with each character to demostrate all potential weakness & oppotunities at some point to the player with each character, and thereby slowly condition the user to many of the best reactions they should take in any given scenario.

Getting good a VF5 sounds exhausting when I think about it like that; maybe just getting better is a big enough goal

 

i agree with myke. knowing these moves is pointless. like i was telling mack on the shoutbox, stance is a visual thing...meaning you have to train your eye to see the change. besides, doing stance specific stuff, for the most part, is making split second decisions. if ya hear me!

manji, and myke wasn't being a negative nelly at all! he was simply helping out and speaking the truth! for he is a courteous croc . drumroll **WOMP WOmp womp**

carry on tradition fellas!

 

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You just flat out dismissed the purpose of this thread. There is no need for this thread if checking stance at launch is all thats needed (I dont agree with that either btw)

Imo theres less effort needed if you only pay attention to when the stance changes rather than stare at it all the time. Or check it before you do a stancespecific-launcher rather than checking it after the launch and propably missing the followup. I guess this is where peoples mileage may vary.

 

@Libertine.
Well there are some moves used for oki that have stance specific combos availble to them, such as for Lion. Really I was thinking that it might be useful to know stance so you know which way to evade if you were going for a side crumble. I don't really do this so could be wrong.

And yes some throws did not reset to belly towards screen (default position), for E.G. + and + although the latter leaves Lion backturned at a distance so I thought it had little relevance.

For the record I agreed with Mykes original sentiment that stance checking is usually only useful at the beginning of a launcher.

But there were some moves here that I had totally forgotten altered stance and I think it's good to know this atleast for your individual character.

 

With Jacky, I keep an eye where my opponent's back is so if I CH I can get the most damage.

Other than that I switch to closed at the start of a round and watch my stance alongside a wall so I can try and get some side-wallhit shit with