FF 60hz and 50hz versions in Europe

For European FF fans in the forums:
Do you think that FFXII will have a 60hz version? I honestly don't get it...Why is Squaresoft (Square-enix, WHATEVER) so full of shit?

They could just've released the games in two versions! 50hz for the ones who still have an old tv, and 60hz for those with modern (like...2 year-old) tvs.

Both versions could be on the market, WHAT'S THE PROBLEM SQUARE-ENIX??

Is FFX-2 in a DVD? Because having 1 DVD is like having 3 cds or something (last cd's never burned completly..I'm positive about that..).

I just made an oath to myself: I will never again buy a FF game until square-enix releases a 60hz version in Europe (as if they cared....).

 

???What does it matter?
True FF fan can enjoy the game regardless to if it was on 50 or 60hz.
I couldnt care less as long as they continue making the series(more like this one,please).

 

Do you even know the difference between 60hz and 50hz?
I refuse to play a game 17% slower than the original one, with borders on the upper and lower parts of the screen, making the characters look fatter.

 

Square/Enix have always given apalling versions of their games to the PAL market. They make the excuse that 2 versions of the game's media have to be included on the disk for a 50hz/60hz option. This is complete garbage - the PS2 will display a 60hz (NTSC - not PAL60) perfectly and all that is needed is an option at startup to switch the hardware over to NTSC mode.

Put it this way - you can get pirate versions of PAL software with perfect 60hz mode select option, the only reason why these companies dont include it is because the majority of their customers dont care (like the guy above)

If you dont want to play sub-standard versions of games you need to import, it's easier and chaeper to import now than it has ever been and I suggest you do so on your next FF game. There is no point in paying more for shoddy products when you can get them cheaper, faster and better quality elsewhere.

 

Yes, I know the difference. You have good story, good ability system, beatiful graphics, and you whine about being 17 % slower? I personally didnt even notice it while playing, and the borders, I didnt even notice they were there until you just mentioned it. Yuna looks far from fat on my eyesight...
That´s some stupid reason of not playing it, but do whatever you will.
And Saurian, it´s not like I care, I´d love 60hz too, but Im not going to miss a part of one of my favourite game series just because it is 17% slower and has borders that make characters look "fat". Small things I didnt even notice until that one started complaining about it.

 

yes FFX-2 is on a DVD. but it doesn't matter anway cos it blows. you're not missing much/ even if the game was 120hz it would still suck. and don't bother hoping for a 60hz upgrade; while square does release its games in "full power" mode here in the states, they still screw us out of features that are in the japanese versions. and this has been going on for years. so either go with the flow, import or just don't play.

 

They won't do a 60Hz mode on this generation of hardware. Depending on how PS3 works, they might.

FFX-2 International is great btw - 2 extra Dresspheres /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

Which ones?

 

True FFX2 isnt nearly a good as 7,8 or X, but I have never been a fan of Squaresoft RPG's so I wasn't really hoping for much. Aniways I have to agree with Nakura on the international version, there are more Monsters, Arena mode and some characters from the previous FF are in it as well, too bad that those biches at Squaresoft migh not be releasing it to america.

 

What's new in FFX-2 International.

Can be read here.

/KiwE

 

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And Saurian, it´s not like I care, I´d love 60hz too, but Im not going to miss a part of one of my favourite game series just because it is 17% slower and has borders that make characters look "fat". Small things I didnt even notice until that one started complaining about it.


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Which is why I said they will never include modes to allow the game to be played as it should be. Like I said the majority of people really couldnt care less that their games are slower and have borders which squash the whole image. If you havent seen the way the game is supposed to look you have nothing to complain about, but believe me compared to the original - the PAL version is inexcusable.

The only company that has officially apologised for their sub-standard PAL releases is Capcom (PAL Devil May Cry was a truly pathetic conversion)
Not adding a standard videomode select to software is lazy beyond belief - these games are designed for the NTSC format, not PAL there's nothing wrong with people wanting to play them at the correct pace and screen ratio. This reason alone is why so many in the UK import - the fact that it's cheaper and you get your stuff faster is a very nice bonus.

 

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Izha said:

Yes, I know the difference. You have good story, good ability system, beatiful graphics, and you whine about being 17 % slower? I personally didnt even notice it while playing, and the borders, I didnt even notice they were there until you just mentioned it. Yuna looks far from fat on my eyesight...
That´s some stupid reason of not playing it, but do whatever you will.
And Saurian, it´s not like I care, I´d love 60hz too, but Im not going to miss a part of one of my favourite game series just because it is 17% slower and has borders that make characters look "fat". Small things I didnt even notice until that one started complaining about it.

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Your unaware of what your missing out on. Try Onimusha 2 or even VF4 in 50HZ and see how squashed and slow everything is. If you played the game in 60HZ you'd have a hard time going back to the 50 HZ version. To get anywhere you have to push for change. Square are actually doing far less on there Pal conversions then other companies so they really need to be pushed . Their 50hz modes are even worse than normal /versus/images/graemlins/shocked.gif.

 

Oh my freaking god...

It's because of people like you that love the game at 50hz that squaresoft keeps making them. I bought DMC and I always knew something was different from the trailers and movies I had seen. When I found out the game was at 50hz (PAL) I almost killed myself.

And in my opinion, it's a fucking lame excuse. You'll need a wonderful pc to play the newest games, AND YOU NEED A FUCKING TV TO PLAY GAMES AT REAL SPEED, SIMPLE ENUFF. Square-enix has no reason whatsoever for not releasing the game at 60hz in Europe. But then there are some dumb kiddos, who never saw the original game, and so they don't give a damn fuck about it. They prolly send e-mails to Square saying:
"Awsome SQUARE!! AWSOME!! I mean...TOTALLY COOL! The only problem is the fuck that you cannot turn Slow-motion off, but it was a good idea though!

Hey, kid, you have FFX? Does it have that lame DVD with some trailer shit or whatever? Insert it and check out the early trailers for FFX. You'll love seeing the ORIGINAL GAME, where characters will look tall (cause you're so damn used to see them short and fat), and tidus actually running at god-like speed (no it's not a new skill which grants you chocobo powers), or at least that's what it looks like because you're actually used to see him running so fucking slow.

There's no arguing about that crap. Try playing VF at 50hz and then tell me: "Oh, but the game is wonderful at 50hz! Now I can pull of combos easier!! And finnaly the KNEE!!!"....I would have to say that is the most moronic thing EVER. I played the game at 50hz in my old television and I never knew the difference between that and 60hz. But I always asked myself: "What are those two bars doing in there?? Their faces are not even round..."
One day I traveled on holidays and I linked my PS2 in a somewhat modern television, and I tried the "test". Well, it was showing the image, but black & white.

I thought to myself: "What's the big deal about 60hz?? I'm going to try it out even in black & white." And so I did... And I was amazed to see the game I had been playing at super-slowpoke speed for like 4 months at a wonderful REAL-speed, with no fucking bars.

I then noticed the little paper inside the game's box. It was a SCART-cable advertisement. I was like: "What the fuck is this shit? «Improves Image and Sound»? I might as well get it for such a low price!". And I did bought that cable, I did use it on my television, and I did notice how the game worked at 60hx with normal colors. And man, was THAT GOOD...

After that, playing FFX at 50hz was a pain in the ass. Thank god I finished every little piece of crappy extra the game had in those months before I found out about the hertz shit.

Games are supposed to be played at real speed. I watched ffx-2 videos, and then I saw the game in a friend of mine's house, and the game was soooooooooooooooooooo fucking slow... And he decided to import the american version (plus some cable which would give his ps2 the support for NTSC games), and guess what? He sold the international version to some dude, and decided to stick with a game that played at original speed, image, and crap like that.

"CRAP LIKE THAT" MATTERS A LOT UNLESS YOU'RE A DUMB FUCK WHO LIKES GAMES AT 83,3% THEIR NORMAL SPEED. How long did it take to finish your game? 60 hours? Find out how much is 17% from that...10 freaking hours. You lose 10 hours (like 2 days of gaming) for playing the 50hz version.

I won't argue about this anymore. Anyone with brains can reach this conclusion. Games are meant to be played as they were developed, not at 83% their original speed, and horizontaly squeezed image.

 

Hey Sesshoumaru_Sama; weren't you the one who was frustrated over how people treated eachother (according to you how all people were rude, childish, arrogant etc) on VFDC before you went away for a while and called for people being nicer to eachother? /versus/images/graemlins/wink.gif


/KiwE (Way to go buddy since your return then).

 

It pathetic how poor support for 60hz is on Pal releases from Japan, and more so if you know how trivial it is to implement such a feature.

Same goes for widescreen support - a couple of hours software work and its done, yet so few developers bother supporting it.

What we need is publishers and manufacturers like Sony defining a list of standard features that must be adhered to. Some of the current TRC requirements for game submissions are plain stupid, like Sony's ".....Playstation 2 (8MB) memory card" tag that must be added to every save game message. If a developer dosen't adhere to this the game fails submission! Why not apply these Nazi regulations to useful features like 60Hz or HD tv support?

It's stupid.

 

Diatribe - n. forceful verbal attack or criticism; invective.

Coincidentally dickhead is just across the page.

 

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Saurian said:
If you havent seen the way the game is supposed to look you have nothing to complain about, but believe me compared to the original - the PAL version is inexcusable.



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That´s a good point, I haven´t seen it. But after all, I dont want to see until I have fully finished the game, I want to enjoy it while I play.
I probably import my next FF if it is really that bad(looking into SH´s reply).
I btw tried VF once in 50hz(just for curiosy), I know the difference but since I , like said, havent seen the original version of FFX2 I dont see it as "slow", and the borders probably wont irritate me(they arent that big) since I´ve used to seen them already in previous FF.
Apologies there, should´ve thought more.

btw..first game, 110 hours, 90%.
second game, 158 hours, 100%
third game, 168, Chapter 5(still playing). About finished...

Anyone agree that they should raise difficulty level?...

 

Kiwe, honestly, I don't remember /versus/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

I remember though that my first account was Vale_mesmo_tudo, and that I (as a wonderful noob) bragged about series, claming they were combos, and that I had created them, LOL.

Get more childish than that =P

 

2 new dresspheres are fun - you get to throw fireworks at people /versus/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

I also have the Tiny Bee controllers to play with /versus/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

 

Quite honestly FF is a slow paced game to begin with and whether the game is 17% slower or not is not noticeable until mentioned. Any slow game can get away with being 50hzt. Fast games like racing and fighting NEEDS to be at full speed. Tekken Tag for instance. Great game but is too slow for PAL and theres no 60hzt option. Shame too.

Main point. it don't bother me when a slow game is on 50hzt.