frame advantage from throw escape?

all the wiki says is a "small to moderate advantage" off of a throw escape.

has anyone actually tested and measured how many frames of advantage you typically get? i ask because i've noticed that sometimes i'll land my instinctive /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif after a TE and sometimes my opponent is able to guard much quicker and thus it gets blocked.

 

the more you know.

thanks myke.

 

I would appreciate if the advantage after certain throws (that stumble but dont knock down) was also there. I dont know where this info could be acquired though.

 

I believe even at max struggle speed there is some sort of advantage after doing the throw. I mean, why list advantages in movelists from +1..+9 for normal moves otherwise. I don't mean merely guaranteed followups. Not to mention it wouldnt be bad to know what kind of struggling motion helps save what kind of frames. Even dojo lists 3 different struggling speeds for the CPU..

Maybe this is a project for some other thread instead of movelist, I dont know.

 

Because those aren't variable numbers. For example, Blaze's 6p will always give +7 on MC and -5 on block, however, the amount of advantage when it hits a crouching opponent is a variable, so it's hard to base a solid strategy on it. Aside from that, it's also hard to find out exactly how much adv/disadv certain staggers give, since you'd need to be able to shake it at it's fastest and then react with let's say a jab to get any usable results.

Also, I don't think there's a way to tell whether or not you even got out of it as fast as possible.. but I could be wrong here, of course.

It seems like a lot of work for little actual use. You can always just go to dojo, look at how fast your opponent recovers from a stagger after a certain move and just estimate how much advantage you have.

 

I remember I used to complain all the time about Lion in VF4 because of his throw game. He had the most directions, including /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/uf.gif (WTF) but after one of his throws (can't remember which), if you escaped it he still had advantage. Can anyone verify this? I swear that was the case.

In all the games I ever played against ETPharaoh which were in the thousands, I only escaped the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/uf.gif throw once!

 

movelists show the situation after escaping the throw in the "guard" column. After a quick look there didnt seem to be any in vf4 or evo where Lion retained advantage after escaping.

 

Maybe it was just a situation between my Shun and his Lion. I can't remember the specifics but he must have chose the right move every time I escaped his throw, because I would always get punished.