Getting flooded by nonVFers

Discussion in 'Junky's Jungle' started by ice-9, Feb 25, 2001.

  1. ice-9

    ice-9 Well-Known Member

    Something sort of popped up in my mind while browsing some of the posts here. When VF4 gets released we'll probably get a lot of mainstream "pretenders"...you know, the kind that Rich and Shota love to bash. =)

    I've said this to Adam before but this site was created mainly for the hardcore VFer...you guys, the people that stick to VF, understand the game, love the game and are willing to share their knowledge of the game from time to time. I really couldn't give a crap about the people who treat VF as a fad, the people who intend to play VF4 as a "stop gap" to T4, or the people who just want to write fanfics without learning how to play the game. This site is for the people who are dedicated to learning VF and taking their gameplay to the next level. I really don't care if VFDC never attains popularity among the masses...this place is for the VF elite.

    Basically, I see VF as a haven for the most skilled of VFers and for the people that strive to reach that level.

    There is a distinct possibility that VF4 could attain Tekken-like popularity. When and if the time comes and this forum becomes unbearable...what should be done?

    I remember we talked about some sort of a automatic filter that could be implemented. Is this feasible?

    Or do we want to create an additional private forum open only to certain people?

    Or do we just fuck it and let newbies fend for themselves?

    Or is my approach totally wrong here?

    P.S. I have copies of the DR movies and will upload them tomorrow night for those people that can't seem to download them from DR.

    ice-9
     
  2. SummAh

    SummAh Well-Known Member

    I don't think u're wrong at all.
    Like I said, I really really really am sick of putting up with crap from non-vfers.

    Esp with the release of VF4, suddenly everyone is gonna come out of the woodwork, proclaiming themselves to be hard core-vfers, who btw do not give a fuck abt the history of VF.


    Yet, we have no way of judging if indeed, the new ppl will be hardcore or just pretenders.

    I am sure along the way, other gamers will come in n do something totally stupid.

    We could make it possible so that in order to post, u MUST REGISTER.

    Yet, the con is guys like Andy, me, Jo shun, Hyun(for example) are almost always on the move.

    So if we do not remember our password n stuff...damn!


    It's really a no win situation for us.
    AND I REALLY DREAD TO SEE THIS BOARD BECOME A SRK.COM

    Sorry for not being able to give any input.

    <font color=red>SummErs' 'mibu's lone wolf'<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1>Edited by SummErs on 2/25/01 09:24 AM.</FONT></P>
     
  3. SummAh

    SummAh Well-Known Member

    another thing brought to my attention just 5 mins ago

    I forgot one area.
    My bad.
    There are some ppl whose dedication cannot and will never be doubt.

    My friend shun loves the game to death.

    Yet he really really really finds it hard to progress in the game.

    So I think the best thing is to
    a)screen those rude msg
    b)ignore bigots

    Nothing else I can think of.

    <font color=red>SummErs' 'mibu's lone wolf'
     
  4. Chanchai

    Chanchai Well-Known Member

    I disagree entirely, but who cares what Chanchai thinks, he's too pleasant of a guy and allows us to put up with more crap.

    First of all, I'd hate to feel like VFDC is like your everyday Comic Shop or Anime Shop full of self-righteous bigots who feel that their devotion to one aspect of the game (skill and performance in this case) makes them better than their peers or of the elite. In the end, we enjoy the game and did make a commitment. But who owes what to who? We chose to play and pursue the game. It's not like we deserve metals for it. But I think effort in any area can be recognized.

    Those that take a fad interest will come and go. Are you gonna tell someone who will potentially really likes the game that he's only in it because it's popular and shut him out? As far as posters of the type that Summers speaks of, the likelihood that they'll waste their time on a Virtua Fighter forum is slim unless they really want to get flamed. For the few cases of that that will probably happen, we can simply screen those messages out.

    And as far as I know, there's a player out there (who is known), that may not be the best VFer by any of your guys' standards. Has devoted a lot to the game in terms of supplying media and hubs of communication for VF in the English speaking world. I recognize that he's archived a ton, put out a lot of effort, etc... I don't know if he ever focused on his playing skills, I would probably assume so, but what if he didn't? What if he simply loved the game without trying to kick everyone's asses. But his love for the game was reflected in a way other than trying to prove he's the best. It was reflected in making a more complete web culture for VF in the English speaking world. Should he not be considered as part of the "elite" for whatever in game skills he lacks?

    I don't know the person personally, but it's my impression of him and he deserves a lot of respect for all he has done and still does as far as I can tell.

    I'll tell you that yes, my goals in VF is to be very good at the game. To join the "elite" of players who are trying to be the best they can at the game. In addition, a goal is that I'd like to be complete in the game (doubt that will ever happen, but sometimes you gotta think big to get anywhere). However, I don't feel that a forum should be limited to "people like us" (though I'm sure I'm considered to be someone seperate from the community).

    However, it is your forum and you have every right to do what you want with it, but I'm just expressing a perspective. I do often think that the "VF Western Players" reputation for being up-tight and stuck-up assholes is deserved (to label it harshly). But oh well. At times it's nothing more than like those comic-book or hobby junkies. I'll admit it shows how much we care about it though.

    -Chanchai
     
  5. Llanfair

    Llanfair Well-Known Member

    I think you should just leave it. There's going to be a whole new group of elite players as time progresses...and, never forget, we *may* not be part of that elite group.

    Let the board remain as it is...imo.

    Just never allow anyone from a gaming site like DailyRadar or IGN post here. ;)

    cheers,

    <font color=white> Llanfair the prized <font color=green>cabbage</font color=green></font color=white>
     
  6. SummAh

    SummAh Well-Known Member

    there has to be more than just daily radar n ign:)

    Well, after further consideration, I agree we should just leave it.

    I'm mentioning it again, just in case it wasn't clear in my last post.

    In hindsight, I think Ice wasn't so much onto the 'elite' status ( like the sound of it though)

    Rather...it's the focus on hardcore, and wanting to avoid the degradation of this board into nightmares like others.

    So my thoughts on this are
    a)hardcore will stay on
    b)pretenders will go away as long as we ignore...

    I'm with Llanfair on this.

    <font color=red>SummErs' 'mibu's lone wolf'<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1>Edited by SummErs on 2/25/01 09:30 AM.</FONT></P>
     
  7. ice-9

    ice-9 Well-Known Member

    Aye, I think Summers has a good peg on what I'm trying to say. Obviously the first and foremost criteria is a love for the game...but the implication is strong that if someone loves the game then that someone would at least try to be good at the game, no?

    So to address your scenario, Chanchai, no, the person that isn't any good at VF but collects anything of interest related to VF and loves the game to death would not be shut out.

    As for your elitism comment, it isn't far off the truth and it most surely isn't limited to the West either. In fact I would venture that the top level players in Japan are far worse than we are here in the U.S. Most players here will at least play one another despite obvious differences in skill; in Japan, some of those players will make it a point to outright humiliate players they think are below them and ensure their playing experience to be an embarrassing and unpleasant one.

    I guess the main reason I brought this issue up is to demonstrate that no, this isn't just my forum. Clearly if I didn't give a crap about your opinion I wouldn't have bothered bring the topic up and would have just acted as I pleased.

    ice-9
     
  8. SummAh

    SummAh Well-Known Member

    Aye, that is why I REALLY wanna go to Japan and Smack Chibita Lion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    *prolly end up defeated, crushed, humiliated, embarrassed etc etc*

    But what the hell, I still wanna smack his lion.
    Period!!!!!

    <font color=red>SummErs' 'mibu's lone wolf'<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1>Edited by SummErs on 2/25/01 10:49 AM.</FONT></P>
     
  9. nascarbryant

    nascarbryant Well-Known Member

    I think we should keep a close eye to what is going to happen. If the situation in the near future will get very bad, you shoud take action.
    But i think that won't be necessary. like in VF3 the real hardcore fans will stick with game even after 4years and the so called casual hardcore players will fall of very quickly. like in the natural selection-Paradigma.
    Who knows maybe a lot of VF-Hardcore players will stick mainly with VF3 .

    P.S I had also some friends who started to play VF2 because of magnificent saturn version(I was the only one,who was disappointed, because I often played the Model 2 version and I still play it today-shun's stage sooo beautiful).They only played VF2 because of the hype and the graphics after 1 year they had forgoten how great the game was. With the DC they bought of course Soul Calibur, but Vf3 was passé. And then such people tell me VF2 was better then VF3 and some of them say because of the character-design,...don't make me laugh...........VF-player
     
  10. Chanchai

    Chanchai Well-Known Member

    Don't worry Ice, I'm sure you know (honestly), that my statement wasn't aimed directly at you or one thing. It was just a sentiment regarding the whole scene. Which is not just VFDC.

    My personal opinion or take is that I just hope VFDC doesn't become a big example of the whole elitest thing (for a momentary lack of a better word).

    Yeah, I'm pretty aware or at least have an idea of what you talked about regarding the high-level scene in Japan. League of experts, whatever you want to call it. Figured it from just hearing about the arcades and areas within arcades where this or that player plays at, etc... The "class segregation" definitely exists everywhere and overall. The elitest mentality exists in all regions, skills, and people.

    My feelings are just that I prefer Versus City not become foundationed upon the "elite hobby-geek" mentality. Though I admit we are "VF geeks" /images/icons/smile.gif Besides, there's enough politics among our little group as it is.

    -Chanchai

    P.S. (Some will most likely disagree here) I've always appreciated your past efforts to "enlighten" those that were interested in VF3 with material that was either unique or completely authorized. Don't know what to say about the ACPC days/images/icons/tongue.gif, but at least it's nice to see that you are more open to Tekken than you were way back then, hehe. I'm not harassing you, just picking on you and in good fun, nothing more/images/icons/smile.gif
    Anyways, I am hoping that with the arrival of VF4, VFDC and many other (pre-established or recently growing) sites and communities will be able to supply the resources for a healthy scene in places other than Japan.
     
  11. Guest

    Guest Guest

    A few thoughts from the new guy around here, hope you don;t shun me =). I've been playing VF since the beginning and have played them consistently to this day. I may not have the greatest of skill, but I love the game, and strive to improve myself. Does this make me less hardcore in some of your eyes? Maybe.

    I agree with Ice-9 that I couldn't care less about people who treat VF as a fad. But it would be a shame to push away someone who maybe never was able to play the VF series or get into it, but is now entranced with VF4. Would you push him away just because he's new instead of showing him the beauty of the game? I think they would be a shame. Maybe if we can show them what the game is about, they'll stick around longer. I guess this is more me because in my area decent competition is pretty rare. Just my two cents.
     
  12. Drunken_Master

    Drunken_Master Well-Known Member

    what?

    you think you are better than everyone else or something? want to filter out people just becuase you think they are not worthy to be here? who do you think you are i dont want to judge you but your seem the sort of person who makes the net that little bit harder for newbies to get the hang of. i meet a lot of online gamers like that who newbie bash want to stop newbies playing with them

    'Strong body but a weak mind' Sam Seed from Drunken Masters
     
  13. ice-9

    ice-9 Well-Known Member

    Re: what?

    No one's really talking about shunning anyone. It's more a question of--what is the emphasis towards? To whom does this place serve?

    Drunken_Master -- filtering is something that we had talked about as a way for veteran posters to manage information. Most people are not interested in reading everything that gets posted on a forum. Some people only want to read what certain others write about and filtering is a way to do that--manage information.

    Newbies that have a hard time fitting into an existing community do so when they are disrespectful.

    ice-9
     
  14. Shadowdean

    Shadowdean Well-Known Member

    Hmmm..you know, how about we just don't give a flying fuck about the non-vfers..those that are true fan of the game {or who will be fans of vf4) will show themselves...its a game and NOT worth getting our blood pressure raised a notch

    "Victory can be anticipated, but not assured" Sun-Tzu
     
  15. ice-9

    ice-9 Well-Known Member

    Yeah that's my thinking as well. Laissez faire (sp?) style forum, heh heh...

    ice-9
     
  16. Chanchai

    Chanchai Well-Known Member

    hehe, that's one way of putting it.

    Yeah, yeah, I know diminishing returns are a concern... But I guess deal with it.. It's a forum/images/icons/smile.gif

    However, you can reenact the mailing list for the specialists/images/icons/smile.gif (No, I'm seriously not trying to reignite old fires here, lack of proper words for the moment)

    -Chanchai
     

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