goh: the perfect akira counterer?

it seems to me that goh has all the perfect tools to bring akira down to his knees, as with much of the rest of the cast, yet still is very much unplayed in tournaments, i consider that a well played goh has the ability to bring down almost anybody out there, and in most cases gain the upper hand over them as is the case with aoi, akira, jacky and in most cases kage

 

i sense....

blood will be spilled here....

 

i thought so too, but somehow i don´t think many people read goh posts

 

Don't you think Goh's legs are way to short in VF?

 

His feet are just too big. Makes his legs look short. /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

To me it's his arms...they look too large, making his legs small by comparison.

 

While most of his "perfect tools" might seem perfect on paper they aren't really ingame imo. Maybe you will have to define what those are as it's just sillyness at this point from posters =)

Example; while it may seem sweet that you can sabaki elbows against akira, the sabaki window is really small and for every one of those, very, specific guesses goh has to do, he's opening himself up for being MC'ed. Doesn't help that akis elbow has speed from hell and range across the screen while goh's long distance game is lacking (66k additon in FT is good though).

I myself am abit dissapointed with FT goh's improvment but then again I play Brad and they really went overboard with that sucker /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I think many ppl don't want this to become a "why I hate Goh" thread aswell in light of recent events. Play and enjoy playing whoever you like. I just wish they redesigned him alot for vf5 - I really like moves like + cause they feel like something a Judoka would use. Moves like (and now talking evo): 3k, k, 4p, 6p+k>p, 66p+k, 46k, 4p+k etc - which are Gohs main attacking moves, just doesn't seem right imho at all [insert rant that it's a game and not reality here]. I don't think it would be trouble giving him moves that fit better but then again it might just be me who feel like that. Give Goh EWGF or something and enjoy the havoc /versus/images/graemlins/blush.gif

/KiwE

 

I do not think Goh is perfect for countering anybody, really, there are few advantages inherent to a character.

I feel like Lion has an advantage over Kage, and Shun an advantage over Jeffry, but that's all.

I also think Sarah has an advantage over everyone with her flamingo, but meh >_>

It would be great if you explained better what you mean by Goh: the perfect Akira counterer, with many details if possible.

Of the friends I play with, one uses Akira as his main so I know him pretty well, I have played against experienced Goh users, but they're no match for my Kage or Jeffry.
Despite those really good Goh players, they did not match the Sarah, Lau and Akira players I challenged (I mean they were not as good with Goh as the others were with their chars).

I also feel like Lei-Fei is kinda limited sometimes, I mean he can overwhelm you and make you panic, but if you keep countering him, you'll be done in no time.

 

well to be honest you are right in a way, it does look perfect on paper, while in actual practice it requires good yomi skills, good distance measuring skills and overall good judgement, but those are all skills you need if you´re gonna pick a character as flawed and limited as goh is, i like to think his main punishing tools vs akira and aoi are ++ (it´s window isn´t as small as many people think kiwe) and + sabaki.
i´m speaking of my own experience while playing as goh as he is one of the only characters in the game i´ve been able to master, along with aoi, jacky and akira.

i know that his distance attacks are almost nonexistent, however, his distance defense is very good, not to mention that you can pretty much gues what akira will try from a distance and counter accordingly

btw most of goh´s moves come from judo (wich is mistakenly believed to be only about grappling, it does have katas for hand strikes and elbow strikes and kicks)
there´s only a couple of moves i don´t think are real

i´ll continue this post later, gotta get home

 

yes and no on this one.

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yes
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1. because his P+K sabaki [throw escapes] plays a very good part during disadvantage, this is not a yomi tool it's a basic technique.

2. u/d+p+k is semi decent after the b,df+p low chop-- but not when akira starts delayin some SDEs, then this goes in the "NO" section ^^

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no
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because SDE owns shlrm, there is no time goh can get away with it at disadvantage really, infact all of akira's fast mids are long enough to break it.

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Example; while it may seem sweet that you can sabaki elbows against akira, the sabaki window is really small and for every one of those, very, specific guesses goh has to do, he's opening himself up for being MC'ed. Doesn't help that akis elbow has speed from hell and range across the screen while goh's long distance game is lacking (66k additon in FT is good though).


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LOL -- i'm afraid.

what right minded player uses a non attacking sabaki out of random guess without a condition?

 

The only perfect Akira Counter is Akira. Secondly, Goh is a strong Character it's just that not enough ppl play him to make his status a tier that's all. Goh should be regarded middle level w/ his FT movelist. Anyone who can't take on Akira w/ Goh simply don't have the skillz & experience or maybe they just really suck.

 

Yeah, you say that you have played against experienced Goh users and found them no match. i'd just like to say that that's a bit hard to believe since anyone who is well experienced with any character in VF can be great competition. Goh may seem like he's not competition, but at the hands of someone who know how to use him, he can be quite powerful and an annoyance. I myself am a champion Akira player and like to play with characters like Kage, Jacky, and Sarah, but i have found myself playing with Goh and greatly enjoying it. I played my friend, and he plays with fast characters like pai,lau, and lion, and have defeated him with great ease with Goh. Goh seems slow and stupid at first, but he is really good, if you know how to time his moves right. i have found myself using along with his other quick moves a very effective tactic. combine this along with his great throw arsenal and he can be very tough. in fact i have found him easier to play with than kage. there is no bad character in VF, the thing is that you pick a character that you can play with and get good with that character. /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif /versus/images/graemlins/wink.gif /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

Sorry, but you are all wrong.

You guys have got it all wrong. The perfect Akira counterer is ... me.

A cuppola months ago I was staying at my buddy Jack's place. I call him Jacky, it pisses him off.
Now Jacky plays Akira (oh the irony...) and on this particular night he had spanked my ass reall good. Btw, I mainly used Jacky at that point in time (oh this is getting too much).

After we finished playing VF we went to a houseparty and after we got back I saw this copy of Akira (video) knocking around on a shelf in Jacky's living room. Remembering the whopping I had previously received there was but one thing for me to do: Screaming 'HAVE IT YOU SLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAG!' I yanked the video from the shelf, gave it a straight punch. The sucker was too surprised to fuzzy guard so I threw his ass big time (wall hit, un-techable, hoorah!) and followed up with a big pounce. Another elbow of mine and the bitch tried some cheap-ass tactics: The plastic cover broke and splinters came flying towards my face. However, my DTEG was too well executed (hail to thee, mighty Practice Mode) and the slag was left at -14. BOOM, beat knuckle to football kick out of the window and the tape went flying out into the night with me yelling: What happened to Mr. SPoD? Mr, oooh, my SDE rulz and ownz? Who's the bitch now? DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE FUCKER!!!

I win! Flawless Victory. Fatality.

Unfortunately, my buddy Jacky didn't see the funny side of things (till the next morning anyway) and proceeded to kick my drunk ass for free.

Still, that night, I in fact, spanked Jacky's Akira after Jacky's Akira had beaten my Jacky. Yes, yes, I rule, who wants to touch me?

 

who was saying anything about shlrm with goh? and ++ owns sde for free in long range games, it´s a given sde is really REALLY fast, but so are good reflexes, you just have to notice it coming and keep your cool, at mid distance if you can see a sde coming and input ++, you can almost always get the sabaki in because of the sheer speed of the sde and when all else fails you can still punch throw his ass LOL

 

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There is no bad character in VF, the thing is that you pick a character that you can play with and get good with that character. /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif /versus/images/graemlins/wink.gif /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif

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I agree, lol, I did not mean Goh's bad, not at all, and actually, the last time I faced Goh, I lost 20 to 14 (3 round matches) I had Jeffry.
I have never lost to a Goh with Kage, but it's just that I have not challenged excellent Goh players, only "good" players /versus/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Like you said, there are too few people who use him, therefore less chance to see a excellent player.

The character I would love to face more is Vanessa, I find her perfect (on the paper, that is), but I just completely suck with her (and Goh, actually) =/

I usually face weak Wolf/Jacky/Pai players (many beginners pick them), average players (any char), and very good Sarah, Lau and Akira players.

Must... go... Japan x_X

And also, I do not know how good you people are here at VFDC, but I'm assuming that at least 70% of you would send my Kage to the moon and back >_> (I have 2 Champions and a Sentinel, to give you a rough idea), and it becomes harder and harder to find people for versus mode, a lot harder /versus/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Akira as the perfect Akira counter is not a bad idea, lol, and probably true, like I said, I know Akira well (especially his elbows x.x) but not Goh, I was asking for details, since despite his excessive power, Goh's not a threat in my experience (Demihuman and Wakato are jokes), but I'm sure that there are Goh players that would beat me with one hand >_>

So I could say that Jeffry is the perfect Akira counterer, for in my experience, I usually have the advantage against Akira players with my Jeffry (but it's just me, heh? that was an example!)

 

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Kefka said:

Must... go... Japan x_X

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No! /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Just go to the capitalaris
There is a strong VF communauty there:
FrenchAkira(Lion),SHwoking(Pai),JetLeejoe(Sarah),JackyX(Jacky) are very good challengers(me,too! /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif),probably the best in France

Anyways,back to the subjet:Aoi is the best Akira counter because she has + and her YY stance........lol

On paper,it seems so good ,but it isn't 100% true
I think everybody understand what I mean

 

setsuna goh.

what i mean is goh's shlrm can normally be used on small disadvantage to beat low P and short mids, and it is a very strong addition to his attack game.. against akira, he is handicapped.

 

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well kefka to be honest most goh players in quest mode are pushovers, a real good goh player will keep you on your toes with good pokes and strong intelligently placed throws (most quest goh´s try to focus on juggles and random throws, they remind me of all the goh players i´ve seen on one of the video sites for FT)

 

you´re right bk but to be honest, playing offensive against akira isn´t the best approach IMO, i find myself in a much better situation if i manage to slow down the match to my pace instead of trying to match his offense (something wich goh to be honest, CAN´T)
you need to mold around his offense and slow him down like that, try a few shlrm´s at small disadvantage, and if you see him interrupting you with his elbows then you can sabaki him and throw him or reset the pace with ,,or , or even anticipate and ++ his ass, and then throw him.
you gotta remember to keep using a psychological approach, make it seem like you will shlrm your way at small dis, and then eat a dash elbow or 2
and then start sabakiing him, a well placed sabaki can get you to eat away almost half of his lifebar

all i´m saying is that the tools are there, it´s up to you to manage them correctly

 

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well kefka to be honest most goh players in quest mode are pushovers, a real good goh player will keep you on your toes with good pokes and strong intelligently placed throws (most quest goh´s try to focus on juggles and random throws, they remind me of all the goh players i´ve seen on one of the video sites for FT)

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Yes, sadly, most Vanessa, Jeffry and Goh quest players are pushovers =/