Goh vs Jacky's back-dash

I am a pretty good Goh player, but I recently lost 4 or 5 matches in a row because of a very simple 50/50 game that was played on me with Jacky. The player would do his pk, k and then dash back with either 2k,k or pk. I was really at his mercy. I could not dodge these moves because I was always hit my the second attack. I also had a hard time interrupting him. I had limited success with neutral k but aside from that he really beat me down-- and like I said he was not that great of a player. p, p seemed to work a little.

How do I short-circuit this Jacky shenanigans?

 

I think you're talking about p+kk into slide shuffle here. In that case, your first option would be to just duck under the k and punish him after. You can use shoulder for this. Note that since the k is special high you need to actually duck and not use a crouching attack cos it will hit you.

This can be pretty hard for a beginner though. So, if this is still too hard, what you could also try is to interrupt his attacks afterwards. It sounds as though he's using the backdash to hit you after making you whiff, so you need to use either a fast attack with range like neutral k, or a slower launcher as he's coming back in for the attack. Potential candidates for the last one are 4p+k and 33p

 

Thanks. I'll try that in the dojo. I'm beserker level. I have skill enough for that.

 

Online rank is pretty meaningless as a measurement tool for actual skill ingame

However, if you can do this, good job! If you can reliably duck high moves in strings and punish them, it will really make you a lot stronger as a player. Also, Jacky is an asshole, so if learning this enables you to kick his ass a little more easily, the world is better off.

 

I was in the dojo for about 45 minutes with the computer jacky programed to pk,p back dash into pk or 2k,k. Your advise was very helpful, and like I said: I'm a decent player, but it was somewhat difficult to block his first hit, duck the second hit let him back dash and input my attack before he rebounds forward. The good news that Goh's 4,p,k launches him nicely for a big combo.

The bad news is that if Jacky finishes his shuffle with a P he is much quicker and I had almost zero success counter-hitting him from that attack. I suppose the good news is that that attack can be ducked or dodged.

Thanks a lot for your help. My Xlive name is Countfosco58 if you ever run across me.

 

Best move for Goh to catch backdashes from any range and advantage is 33P. It's safe on block and a mid elbow I think so Jacky can't SS sabaki it either.

 

^ Goh's is -10. Throw punishable FYI.

 

Throw is never a proper punish, especially against Goh.

 

I like Goh's 33P myself, but I gotta admit I think throw is a proper punish when the opponent is at -10.

It probably depends on the opponent who is throwing, but I think throwing is the correct thing to do if blocking a 33P. Like, Taka's guessing game when he's +10 is pretty scary with his throws!

If we are talking about evading a 33P, now that's a different story...

That said, I'm not super well-versed on Goh. Is he pretty awesome in situations after he escapes most throws?

 

I think Yomi was talking about Goh's throw sabaki () in -10 situations (66 P+G,33P,3KP).

 

Goh's will catch backdashers, but it is punishable by backdash-evade cancels. I would say is a better move to use.

Goh can always reverse throws, with the exception to low ones. The only characters with 10f striking punishers afaik are Sarah, DS Vanessa, and Dural.

Completely off topic but against Goh, it is important to know how to punish him. Although the threat of the throw reversal is always there, the guess isn't in Goh's favor, and there are many ways to discourage use of the throw reversal.

1. The throw reversal is very hard to time since there's only a 1f window to pull it off. I would go as far to say, the Goh player "lucks out" when he gets one off. Do not be afraid to use throws to punish, because it's still an OK option if you don't feel like making a guess against his option selects.

2. ^ Goh can Option Select his throw reversal with any action he chooses, because the ++ input has to be done while Goh has already been captured by the throw. Ill list some of the OS and how to beat them

• Block + Throw reversal - Goh can just wait to see the throw animation and try to reverse on reaction. But it loses to guard breaks, and lows. Goh will have a tough time looking for a low when he's worried about the incoming throw animation.
• ++ + Throw reversal - Since Goh is going for a punch sabaki, using high damage attacks that aren't single punches or elbows will work.
• Evade + Throw reversal - This will lose to all circular attacks. Goh won't have enough time to cancel his evade.
• ++ + Throw reversal - This one is weird. Goh is completely vulnerable during the roll, but he only risks being normal hit. Launchers will still launch him at normal height
• + Throw Reversal - pretty much the opposite of the punch sabaki OS. Hit him with a high damage attack that can't be leg sabakied.

 

Against backdash, I think is the better (classic) but I'm using too (as the follow up can be useful against retaliation ^^).
About it's better as a whiff punisher imo .

About the throw reversal when playing Goh I prefer the evade+ option, but eventually this would be mind game, if I don't evade you may "lose your turn" if you tried a full circular attack instead of a guaranteed throw attempt.

So yes if you're at +10 against Goh take the throw option, unless you know your opponent can do the throw sabaki consistently.