Groundhog Day

Discussion in 'Local Scene' started by Jeffahn, Oct 1, 2001.

  1. Jeffahn

    Jeffahn Well-Known Member

    Hi kids,

    Congratulations to Hatim Habashi on his performance on Saturday evening at Casino -a performance that inspired me to my personal best performance of 50+ combined wins on Sunday evening (23+16 Wolf +~3 odd Wolf/Pai, 10+ Pai -it's really difficult keeping track of multiple streaks!) I must say that the opposition wasn't particularly good in my case though.

    For the record, Hatim actually had over 100 wins for the evening, and would more than likely have had a 100+ win streak if I had not taken him off with Pai when he was on about 10 wins earlier on (his only loss that night, btw). I am confident that Hatim is internationally competitive, and the endurance, wit and tenacity that he has demonstrated would test any pro player.

    The main players present were, in my rankings, as follows:

    1. Mark ??? (Wolf, Kage, Jacky)
    2. Jason ??? (Akira, Sarah)

    …both of which are currently of lesser experience in VF4.

    (Please forgive any notable omissions)

    Adam Doree was present and is far more competitive that has been insinuated on this board (he had SpoD’ed Ryan Hart at least twice, earlier in the week, without even realising who he was playing against!).

    Notable absentees were of course Ryan Hart, and the resurgent Japanese player, Dai.

    Hatim was ruthless with most of the opposition, and even though I came close on a couple of occasions, I just couldn’t quite make the kill. On balance, I must give some of the credit to Mr Chan (won’t say how much), though the execution of any provisional or circumstantial advantage ultimately goes to the man who commanded him so eloquently for those hours of slaughter.

    Someone commentated that it was a bit like a reverse gangbang with everyone taking their turn getting £$^*â€Â@^ed by Hatim and his surly partner in ‘crime’. The all-knowing Stove, when asked earlier in the evening why he refused to attempt to end the carnage, commentated that he did not feel up to playing, though, nearing the end of the evening, it emerged that he was in fact of the opinion that a vacuum occupied his psyche as how to end Hatim’s menacing run.

    With regard to the apparent friction between N.American players and the UK, I did speak to Ryan last night. His position is that he is prepared to take on any and all challengers at both TB and VF4. For the record, my position is neutral in that, although I currently play in the UK, I am in fact from another country that is not in N.America. I am prepared to play anyone though.

    Adios,

    Edward McMillan
     
  2. CreeD

    CreeD Well-Known Member

    >With regard to the apparent friction between N.American players and the UK, I >did speak to Ryan last night. His position is that he is prepared to take on any >and all challengers at both TB and VF4.

    *snort*
    Did he now? Gosh, most Americans are just pantscrappingly terrified of the thought of being able to find and play against skillful competition. We're not at ALL sick of playing mall scrubs and Tekken dropouts.

    Ed, you sound like a reasonably intelligent guy. If so, you should know that there *IS* no friction between the US and UK players. It's a FICTION created by all this 'dynamic league' garbage. US players think of UK players no differently than they would australian or canadian players, and only slightly differently than they think of korean or japanese players. Any friction/hatred/disrespect/intolerance/
    irritation/discord/disgust etc etc etc. is directed at one person with too much time on his hands. Derrick Lynch's posts are MEANT to rabidly promote this 'our country is better than yours' bullshit, when in reality he singhandedly gives the UK a bad name on this board. How would Hatim feel if someone came on here screaming this? - "Whites rule VF. Negros and Asians cannot possibly compete. People with dark complexions, know fear. The Aryan war machine is coming for you."
    Am I blowing this out of proportion? Does anyone claim his posts are not like that? No, that's -exactly- what it's like. Pride in one's country has nothing to do with VF and never should. Respect for the individual (as people if not as players) should be first. Derrick has stubbornly failed to understand that and THIS is the source of any tension. And why the fuck am I making such a big deal out of this anyway? Is it a lost cause? Who cares about a little smack-talking in the larger scheme of things? Christ, I've contributed to this waste of time, I already regret hitting the reply button. Maybe I can salvage something out of this.

    I make a big deal out of it because this is how message boards die. It's not good or natural that VF players have had to continually jump ship from RGVA to Hardcore Gaming to Tao of VF to VFDC. But it's shit like the Dynamic League postings that cause these jumps. It's one thing to post something worthless, like a fanfic thread or a question that's been answered in 2124354 FAQs and posts. Those are time consuming to read, often offtopic, and tedious, but they're tolerable. They won't scare away the people who are the heart of a board, the people who consistently have something concrete and useful to contribute.
    It's *worse* than worthless to post something that actively discourages people from wanting to read the board, simply because the poster wants some quick fix that generates 30 angry responses and tires the rest of us. Posters tend to fall squarely into one category or the other - people who post content and people who post crap. Don't let Derrick's noise suck you into the crap category. I can certainly see someone deserving a post if they get 96 wins in a row. I can even see two or three posts. Any more than that is noise. It amazes me that a half dozen people or more can witness an amazing win streak and yet NOT A SINGLE BIT OF SPECIFIC GAMEPLAY or TECHNIQUE was eked from this streak and put into written form somewhere on this board. It gives a bad impression, like maybe Hatim was beating up on helpless innocents who didn't know an elbow-palm from a takeoff kick. People of the UK: don't be like Derrick. If you have something concrete to say about this now ancient news, then feel free to contribute. Don't think American players have any problems with a thoughtful and interesting post. If you just want to spew trash and fruitlessly suck dick, then keep away from the post and reply buttons.


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  3. ice-9

    ice-9 Well-Known Member

    NOT A SINGLE BIT OF SPECIFIC GAMEPLAY or TECHNIQUE was eked from this streak and put into written form somewhere on this board.

    This is exactly what I was thinking as I read Jeffahn's post...it's interesting and all to hear who got the streaks, but what about the game?
     
  4. Jeffahn

    Jeffahn Well-Known Member

    I know Derek. I don't believe that he try to do anything more than promote a competative atmosphere between all players. I don't know exacty what posts you are refering to, but I imagine it might be the one announcing the arival of VF4 @ Goodge street. I don't see anything wrong with a little friendly bragging about having the 1st VF4B on general play in the west. I don't remember the exact words he used, and some of you across the pond may have interpreted his words differently, but I do belive thathe had no intention of making anyone feel anything other than a little jealous, and possibly even more eager to try the game out for themselves.

    Believe it or not, there are still VFer's @ HG (though I haven't spoken with any of them in a while -Ed,"the old man", in particular)...worked there a while back and still poston the MB occasionally.

    Sadly, I'm not really up on my VF technique talk/jargon, but I will make an effort to explain how Hatim did the infamous deed. Having never been at all keen on Lau, and therefore even less aware of how to describe his play, I don't think anyone will be able to gleen much from this, but anyways:

    Good use of his charge attack to stagger and then savage with an assortment of VF3 pppk etc. etc. ...effective use of the quick evade&attack in close (this is something all characters have and is apparently self-regulating in speed depending on the range, but can't be cancelled). Good mixing of follow-up attacks with the combination leg sweeps and elbow/palm stunner thingy.

    Bit hurried this, hope someone can make some sense of it. Have to be getting home now.

    Adios
     
  5. Adio

    Adio Well-Known Member

    Hay mate. It's nice to see you on the board but could you please stop typing "Adios" at the end of your posts, it's getting to me....Ooooooh the memories.......!

    Adio.
     
  6. CreeD

    CreeD Well-Known Member

    Well that's a start.

    Don't bother defending Derek though. It's one thing to brag on the skills of a comrade, quite another to down on the skills of others. There's a big difference.
    It's infuriating to see someone generalize an entire continent of VF players the same way an islamic fundamentalist might toss off the comment that "All americans are degenerate hedonists and deserve to be crushed."

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  7. SummAh

    SummAh Well-Known Member

    Why bother?
    I've repeatedly said the same thing as u posted earlier...
    and each time a question was asked...
    skirts were lifted and off they went~

    They still don't understand who we really are annoyed and pissed off with.

    fuck it.

    <font color=red>~~~ 'Flock off feather brain, or u can stick around and find out the hard way!/versus/images/icons/mad.gif~~~'
     
  8. Prince_Hatim

    Prince_Hatim Well-Known Member

    CreeD....classic example of the bullshit I have to put up with.

    You say Islamic fundamentalists would say......"All americans are degenerate hedonists and deserve to be crushed."

    Tjhat is exactly what I'm talking about!!!!!! A couple of you guys say a few decent things, then you say something like that above, and it just confirms that you are a bonehead! I mean bringing religion into it! Bloody hell! Man you are a real sucker to the media. They thrive on people like you.

    Whatever man. I continue to be amused by reading this post.....the hypocracy makes me laugh. At least I don't pretend to be all self-righteous.

    You guys should lighten up and learn to tell the difference between a joke and a serious post.

    <font color=red>The bigger I am....The harder they fall.</font color=red>

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  9. Prince_Hatim

    Prince_Hatim Well-Known Member

    OK by the way, apart from the fact that you praised me a quite a bit here, don't know why I deserve it, but thanks all the same. At least you're making an effort to post a good reasonably infromative message every now and again.

    It was like groundhog day for me today, compared with last week. I finished work went and played a game of tennis with some work colleagues, arrived at the arcade later than usual and didn't manage to get more than 6-7 crappy wins, didn't really play with Lau though, just used other characters to test them out.

    Shun-di's control system has changed completely. It's going to take while for someone to get used to him if they were used to him in VF3.

    I am hoping tomorrow I'll feel better.and maybe get a nice streak.

    All you guys on the board will be first to know all the important details like who got the most wins, how many, who made the most noise, how many people were there etc.... None of that nonsense babble about tactics or what moves have more priority, differences with VF3 etc....

    We wouldn't want to annoy you guys.

    You know what really makes me laugh, is the fact that you know Derrick is just having a joke in his post yet you still take it to heart and waste at least half an hour of your time writing 5000 word essays about how immature Derrick or whoerver you're refering to is.

    Lighten up man. So many people read the forums, if you see something written by the UK players, just ignore it. A lot of us are entertained by some of the not so serious posts.

    You make yourself look just as bad by responding to our posts like schoolkids in a playground. Be an example to us and don't stoop down to our level if that's what you want to call it.

    Personally I think you're all good people, good senses of humour, you know how to have fun and join in the joking around. Whatever happenned top Llanfair? What a nice guy...... ANyway that's enough of me rambling on.

    To make it worth reading........Lau's d+p+k is good at evading low punches, elbows, and other similar attacks. He takes a REALLY quick step back (evading an attack) and then lunges forward with a kind of hammer punch.

    Also, low punches are the most important part of VF4. Never forget that, use them well and you could be like me.



    <font color=red>The bigger I am....The harder they fall.</font color=red>

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  10. CreeD

    CreeD Well-Known Member

    Hatim: You were absolutely right, my comment about the "Islamic Fundamentalist" was way off base. I was trying to be more specific than that, using an example of whatever-you'd-call-bin-Laden, I didn't mean to bunch Islamic Fundamentalists all in the same category. To this day I don't know what the 'correct' label is for someone like members of the Taliban. My response was dashed off quickly and without researching properly. I apologize.

    As for "you should lighten up and try to tell the difference between a joke and a serious post." .. Picture this. A member of the Ku Klux Klan makes a racist joke to a black man. The black man goes off on him. Would you say to that black man "you should lighten up?" No, of course not. My point is even if something is meant as a joke, it still can piss people off and is sometimes best left unsaid. You might not think a couple of UK people putting down the US is in the same league as a racist white guy putting down a black person, but to me it's just as unfunny.

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  11. [PKG]

    [PKG] Active Member

    Ops... pressed the reply button by accident:)
     
  12. Mr. Bungle

    Mr. Bungle Well-Known Member

    read, jackass.

    he said "might" say, not "would" say. don't misquote him to fuel an argument.

    --
    "A chem bla deshembla blurr fuh bli fouzh"
     
  13. BlueFlash

    BlueFlash Active Member

    LOL!

    Well, I can't help but laugh, but honestly this is all so silly and stupid. Although I have had my share of ignorant posts earlier in the year (I have vowed to end that already), these re-occuring dynamic league vs dynamic league haters vs anyone else who's angry at someone else posts are so dumb. Maybe I just haven't been here long enough, but I don't get the hostility. Let's just all enjoy Virtua Fighter, and respect those who play well and achieved greatness. We need to stop playa-hatin, or cheesy as it sounds, Virtua Fighter will turn to Real Fighter, that is, if they were ever to meet, yeah. It's just a game, sheesh. I just wanted to say that.
     
  14. Prince_Hatim

    Prince_Hatim Well-Known Member

    Re: LOL!

    You know what? That's the most responsible post out of the lot. - after mine obviously :p

    Well said :)

    <font color=red>The bigger I am....The harder they fall.</font color=red>

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  15. Electro_Jacky

    Electro_Jacky Well-Known Member

    PSN:
    electrolex
    XBL:
    electro lex
    Why can't we work out our differences? Why can't we work things out? Little people, why can't we all just get .......along?

    President Dale/Jack Nicholson 1996 Mars Attacks




    THAT'S.......IT.......NOW!!!
     
  16. Prince_Hatim

    Prince_Hatim Well-Known Member

    So....why did you write a message and press the continue button?

    *sigh*

    <font color=red>The bigger I am....The harder they fall.</font color=red>

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  17. uk-guy

    uk-guy Well-Known Member

    Finally got around to playing VF4 and I'm happy to say it's still the most subtle and brilliant beat'em up around.

    I popped down to Casino on Friday night, here are some observations.

    BTW I haven't been here for a while so some of the stuff may be common knowledge, please don't hassle me if it is.

    Akira
    Played By Hatim, Jason and some new guys.
    His new d/f+P+K+G, f+P kills jabs. Followed with the new 3 hit, thats alot of DAMAGE for countering a jab rush so Kage, Sarah, Pai's watch out. One of his best new moves. More importnat now because the elbows have lost some priority (Marc AKA The Wall was P or d+P countering into swinground all night to devestating effect). I think shoulder is now uncounterable? blocked shoulder into bodycheck/SPOD was damaging for throw attempts. Elbow stagger opportunites on low kicks (rising too) is less gauranteed. Hatim decided to punish low kicks with the doble jump kicks. Also noticed alot of Akira players not due anything after a SDE counter when they stumble to the floor. Hatim punished with the DLC everytime , whilst Jason etc followed with another elbow etc...shouldn't have said that, Jason will dish out more damage now. LBF counter into new 3 hit is powerfull, it's a scrub killer and you can use it wisely in top tier play. The quick b,f+P+K is very fast, perfect for punishing whiffed moves, also has insane recovery. Once again SPOD or cd Shoulder DLC anyone thinking of throwing you. Or dish out his b,f+P+K+G, srubby but works. Crouch dashing backwards into single/double plam makes a welcome return. Jason used it as a cool round starter. Also like the b,f+P+G near wall bodycheck and the new pullin throw, bodycheck near wall options. Hatim argued that its difficult to get close with Akira and he has no decent low level attacks. I think AM2 have made him this way so you have to up your skill level more than VF3 to get wins.

    Wolf.
    The Wall, Hatim (picked by mistake?), Edward, some new guys.
    No longer the monster he was in VF3 but still powerfull. Due to swinground catch throw status arm throw and new suplex were the pref counter throws. Shoulder is weaker with less priority against jabs, but Wolf has plenty of new (or improved) moves to compensate. d/f+P is lethal, counter into swing round or double punch into low kick, b,f+K+G or punish the tech roll (Marc used HCB+P and sometimes low throw on troll). d/b+P still stagger (easier into the swinground) and its still uncounterable. talking of tech roll warfare Marc was very methodical, he'd use the HCB+P then either high stomp/pick up if they stayed down or kipped up or punishied more tech roll attempts in a variety of ways. Hatim demonstrated Wolfs improved dodge throws, insane axis movement esp against rising attacks. Wolf is also the comeback king. The amount of times I saw charging shoulder take 50% life was sickening. clothes-line cancel into low throw is sweet!

    Sarah
    Jason, some new guys.
    Jason got the most cheers on the night for a rack of excellent victories and humiliation of opponents with sarahs crazy kicks. d+K+G counter into d/f+K+G otb was sweet. her d/b+K, PKstance, into flip kick is easy but damaging, always connects and I don't think it is stance dependant. She is very well balance IMO, fast, good range and her kick tance is nightmarish to deal with at the moment. Have to start playing her soon...

    Pai
    Mainly Edward
    Seems to have gained alot in VF4, her palm counter is lethal! Cool new reverses, good against sarahs stance kicks. Still has alot of oki, more juggle opportunities and still the fasted character in the game. Perfect rush machine. No one has dominated with her yet, but it's only a matter of time...

    Shun
    dunno see Hatim?

    Lion
    Marc once
    dunno seems to be more of a counter machine, has lost some ring out ability but still an oki demon

    Aoi
    Hatim, Marc
    Gains alot from not having to suffer otb combos. Didn't seem to dif from VF3 tactics, jurys still out I suppose

    Jeffry
    No one played him!

    Monk/Vanessa
    No one at a high level yet, dealing with button mashes going stance crazy is still a nightmare.

    Lau
    Hatim
    The Princes strongest character by far. Being able to duck upknife is a bummmer but Hatim was still getting the juggles. Easier to do move commands make him more beginner friendly, but true mastery will come with modifying his moves speedily. His new run up wall thing is cool, but whats the use? d+P crouch dash d/fx2+P+G is still as devastating as ever. Elbow-plam upknife is still deadly too. His dodge attacks ar better than most. bb+PPP, d+KK otb delayed d+KK+G on tech rollers was sweet. Against Wolf PPP delayed b+K (staggers wolf but he does not fall) d/fx2+PPb+Pf+P ring out was sweet.

    Last but not least Kage
    Me, some new guys.
    Elbow sucks compared to VF3 but still powerfull in the VF4 system. d+P+K is much improved and staggers, counter hit into the d/f+K+G canned flip kick is lethal if used wisely. Probably his most important new move. Damage from knee seems to be reduced significantly. This Ryan demonstrated combo does good damage though TFT, b+PK, P, d+P+K, K+G. TFT knee buffer is weird, like doing the b+P+G, u+P+G throw. Do the TFT, buffer knee and let go of the joystick to see automatic knee! Still need to do a super fast cd buffer for higher knee floats TFT, knee, P, d+P+K, K+G is sweet. D,f+P is more usefull due to its quick execution whilst going crazy with cdashes. u/f+K+G, d+P, dragon punch always connected for me and is perfect for low move scrubs, cos his elbow isn't as strong. Rolls have been toned down in a big way but double roll DP or P+K+G mind games still work. f,f+K G cacel into d+K+G is still funny. Haven't mastered stance as yet. Kage is less PETE and has to be used more skillfully for wins. Still powerful though.

    Err well thats is for the mo...sorry for the spelling mistakes...cya.

    oh, and may all your knees lift them into the stratosphere!
     
  18. ice-9

    ice-9 Well-Known Member

    Hey Mo, thanks for the report!!!

    For Akira, I think if the d/f+P+K MCs you'll get a K.D. stun -- DLC or Fujin Combo!

    For Kage, try that chop thing (VF3 command P+K) -- it'll float opponents and you could probably tack on a P -> d+P+K, K+G combo after.
     
  19. Mr. Bungle

    Mr. Bungle Well-Known Member

    <A target="_blank" HREF=http://home.earthlink.net/~foops/vf4_combos.txt>http://home.earthlink.net/~foops/vf4_combos.txt</A>

    needs updating, but that's a start.

    --
    "A chem bla deshembla blurr fuh bli fouzh"
     
  20. alantan

    alantan Well-Known Member

    thanks for the informative post.

    one question,
    you mentioned punishing tech rolls, can you clarify on that? I read somewhere that tech rolls are considered crouching, unguarded? Is it true? If that is so, isn't it rather dangerous to tech roll??? Is a low throw confirmed?

    BTW, is your machine ver A or B? Wolf looks pretty bad on ver B.
     

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