Guaranteed punishment chart for wiki

So there's been some work by Sebo & discussion in various character subforums about listing guaranteed counterattacks for moves.

It seems like this kind of stuff ought to go in a more permanent / easily accessible place, like the wiki, so I wanted to see what format people thought would be useful. so far what's been suggested . .

1. just use the filters on the command lists. It's already there, and works, but doesnt have all the characters in one place, and doesn't take range into account. Modifying it requires work on myke's part.

2. one big list in the system section of the wiki, like http://virtuafighter.com/view.php?section=vf4&file=vf4evo_counter_tables.php
This would get all the characters into one place, and would be relatively fast to do, but might not be as flexible with regard to range / quirks (e.g. punishable by jeffs elbow, but only in closed stance). Could be modified by anyone with a wiki login.

3. individual character lists, like sebo's been doing, but formatted nicely & put in the character sub-sections of the wiki. Would be more flexible, but more work, and involve a lot of duplicated information. Could be modified by anyone with a wiki login.

Obviously, it'll end up getting done however whoever ends up doing it wants to do it, but if you've got thoughts, throw 'em in.

 

What would REALLY help is recording in training mode, but that's not on you guys lol. Otherwise I've been doing ok with the movelist filters.

 

Ok, version C for option 2 (one big list) is up at


http://virtuafighter.com/wiki/doku.php?id=playgroundunishment

If you've got a wiki login & want to make corrections, go for it, otherwise post up here.

 

-9 for DS Vane's /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif (granted the attack doesn't push back like Goh's /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/db.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif [this will take more than one player to find all the ones that work though]).

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Added some crouch recovery moves, a few Eileen specifics, and changed up Vanessa's section (noting Stance and removing redundancies).

 

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif seemed pretty situational to me (a lot of sebo's punishment notes for it say "testing needed"), which is why i didn't include it in the frame dump... if someone wants to add it, or copy over from sebo's vane punishment chart, go for it.

 

thanks for this.

 

I'm a little confused as to where you think the information should be captured; you're saying character strategy wiki, but do you mean that info on which attacks of (e.g. jeffs) are punishable should be in his wiki only? Problem with that is the strategy wikis aren't standardized.

Seems like if you want people to use the command lists, and you want to reduce duplication, the thing to do is to start modifying the command lists to take note of low attacks that recover standing and high or mid attacks that recover crouching, as well as attacks that push-back out of e.g. jab range.

 

In most other fighters that are played regularly in tournies, fishing comes with having the proper options in training/dojo mode to test these sort of things.

 

Ok, sounds good - i'll keep the chart in the playground for now, and copy useful information to the command lists if / when people add it to the chart.