Guard cancel

Does anybody know how many frames it takes to guard cancel out of the stances at the fastest input? OR does anybody know the frames I waste by switching from one stance to another?
FOR EXAMPLE, if im IN DOKU STANCE, and i press guard how many frames will i lose by going back to normal stance?
I wanna know because if im at ex... -2 in DOKU, and i guard cancel.. what disadvantage i will be in..So that way i know i what i am on at disadvantage so i can either FG OR CF or eteg.. etc.

 

I think it takes 3 frames to cancel from Doku. Only because the kick from Nehan pk on CH is +15 and you have enough time to link a throw in.

Try seeing if you can guard eileen or sarah's jab after they block koko 2kp, which is -7 on guard.

 

I just tested it briefly. I tested it out with VFnumbers. What we tested was a move that put Lei in +1 Doku, and i would try to hit him with either a 14 frame mid or a throw. He wasnt able to G cancel Crouch fuzzy or Fuzzy G, but he was able to block in time a 14 frame.

 

This is actually pretty interesting. Guard-canceling stances is something that hasnt really been tested at all. I always assumed that it is slow.. I wish I had some way to test this.

ps. I use G-canceling stance sometimes with Sarah or Lei.. I always assume that its opponent suckage if they dont do anything about it

edit: according to your test:
x = time to cancel stance
x < 14+1
x < 15

and
x + 6 > 12+1
x > 7

Did you try with 10-frame punch? OR go into doku with a weaker move, like K+G -> doku at -1 on block

 

I wouldn't say the other player "sucks" if you are able to cancel out of stance without being hit.

Doesn't it just show how well you, as a player conditioned the other person to not "mash out" once you enter a stance?

 

if i can guard a 14f mid i might have time to use 236p+k sabaki after canceling stance assume i didnt waste frames in buffering inputs. Mackfactor we should test it out again i dont remember if i guarded a high p on time

 

Well, Doku autoreverses everything that sabaki works on and more anyway.. no need to leave stance

 

The sabaki would clash with throws though.

If you needed to be at an advantage to stance cancel into that you wouldn't bother would you?