Guilty Gear XX Slash

Are there many GG players around here?

Does anyone have the jap copy of Slash yet and if so, what are your impressions of Order Sol, ABA, changes/tweaks to chars etc... ?

Is it a big change to Reload?

 

wouldnt a post in like shoryukens forums be a better bet?

 

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wouldnt a post in like shoryukens forums be a better bet?

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Actually, he might want to check out Dust Loop & Roman Cancel

 

Thanks for that Shag, I wasn't aware there was much of an online following for GG.

I just posted on the off chance of finding any closet GG fans here. From what I've heard it's a pretty slick game and similar to the progression of VF4, VF4:EVO and VF4:FT.

 

what's up LM Akira, I am a GG player here in the states, RomanCancel is actually based out of Columbus, Ohio and I play with not only it's moderators often but some of the best GG players in the states.
Impressions so far (done by character):
Order Sol: I am still contemplating making him my main but as far as it goes, he is a ridiculously tricky character to play, in this I mean, you have to always be paying attention to the level guage if you're gonna play him, you have to know the frames, you have to have the combos, and once all that is done, you have to play intelligently. He, I have no doubt, is one of the most difficult people to play in the game.

A.B.A: she has 2 distinctions, also relatively difficult to play and the most frame traps of any character in the game. She does pretty good damage, and once she's in blood pack mode, she becomes about 12 times harder to fight against. The instant kill thing KINDA balances her out but the best with A.B.A will be a site to behold.

Baiken: She got stronger than #R, her 6HS is jcable, her super counters work completely differently and can fuck some people up (one guarantees exactly one hit which means free meaty 6HS /versus/images/graemlins/wink.gif , one seals a button depending on what follow up you do, and one makes every hit a counter hit). She also gained new gatlings that add tremendously to her game (6K - 2HS or 5HS ; 2S - f.S). She got a whole lot better but haven't messed with as much due to Order.

Eddie: RAPED!!!!!! He is nowhere near where he was in #R, though that being said, still a very good character. Little Eddie S doesn't go up as high, little Eddie doesn't do chip damage anymore, he doesn't have the same combo potential. He is just a whole new character who has to be played in a very specific way, though not all bad, the new megalith head setup stuff is pretty decent and is always a knockdown and having an FRC makes it good.

Anji: I play with the strongest american Anji player often, he is ridiculous with him but Anji himself got a fuck ton stronger. If you have seen Blade, you know who he is, all the strengths, none of the weaknesses. Only one thing got taken away from him and that was a specific Fujin loop. He can do all Fujin follow ups on Fujin whiff, he can airdash after the P follow up (great rushdown), his HS follow up either guarantees combo or frame advantage (NO MATTER WHAT) in addition to it reaching half screen, his stomp move is still frame advantaged in addition to it now being a combo starter on reg. hit (always was on counter), and the new butterfly while not being unblockable is a WHOLE lot better, 2 hits and crazy amounts of free mixups. Just imagine a crazy strong character in a crazy strong players hands.

I will post up more characters as I get more exp and more about the game in the next post. Any questions, feel free to ask, not to say I will have all the answers, I won't, but I'll answer to the best of my ability.

 

Yeah I'm looking to get into this game too, sucks when I got a mountain of info to learn before the real fun starts though.
Out of curiosity what are the balance issue's like in this game, am I right to believe it's the vf of 2d games?

 

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am I right to believe it's the vf of 2d games?

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yea cors! when the game is sooo un balanced that everyone uses sol and no one can use chip

infact is anything it reminds me of tekken, ie: every one wrinses certain players and never pick others

why dont u ask philip/riza/and kenso about GG, they will tell you stuff much better then some one online from the states

 

lol, the game isn't perfectly balanced but as far as 2d's go, it's prolly the best, a ton better than capcom or snk equivilants. The funny thing Hajile is what your saying OCCURS IN EVERYGAME!!!!! Everyone loves shotos, so a fuck ton of people play the shoto equivilant in all games the play, and GG really isn't different in that regard, Chipp took a lot to use in #R and was considered the worst in the game but he has been made better since then. He has already won 2 big tournaments, 1 in america (texas showdown 6) and 1 in Japan (guilty gear gigs the 2nd), check am sega's site if you want confirmation on the latter, Sol is a basic character so people love him, just like Ryu, Ken, Akira, Terry, Kyo, Haohmaru, Kazuya, Jin, and Mitsurugi.

With that above part out of the way, the balance in Slash is much better than #R so far at any rate, yes there is some tier stuff and with a game with diverse enough characters, there are good and bad match ups for everyone and it can be more difficult doing the good stuff with one character as opposed to the other but anyone can still win that match, there are no Mina v Kusuregedo or Cable v Amigo matchups. Ease of use not withstanding, it's the closest you will find to a balanced 2D fighter I do believe (by that I mean being able to pick ANY character and win, if you wanna choose from any of a limited number of characters, you may wanna play Marvel though I choose not to for my reasons).

 

In terms of depth you could arguably say GG is the 2D VF, for the following reasons:

Roman Cancel (use half a super bar to cut off delay from the end of an attack and chain into combos/setups)

False Roman Cancel (use a quarter super bar, similar to RC but harder timing and can only be done with certain moves)

Crazy air game (Jumps, Super Jumps, double jumps, Air Dashes, Jump cancelling, Jump installing, Flying (for Eddie) etc...)

Overdrives (like supers but use half a super bar)

Instant Kills (use a full super bar)

Burst (to break out of combos)

Dust (to float insanely high and do some ridiculous damage)

Instant blocking (kinda like in CvS2 or the reverse or parrying where you recover better by guarding just as a move hits)

Fautless defence (drains super bar but allows blocking opponents special moves without taking chip damage)

Dead angle attack (to reverse a blocked string, uses super bar)

and they're just the basics, it can get far more complicated with individual chars.

So yeah the game is deep but like Random said, everyone picks Sol (tho I use Venom, Dizzy and Potemkin) and some chars are hardly used by any. There's a few players in our group who use Ky, Jam, Dizzy, May, Slayer and a few others but I don't know that many people in general who are really into the game. I think Zakuta, Masamune and Simeon play it seriously (off the top of my head).

It's fairly big in Japan, but then I guess it's the same as VF as it's not as popular as SF around the rest of the globe.

 

ok thanks for the info guys,
Yeah I'm not gonna play it cause it's popular overwise I wouldn't be playing vf lol.

 

Yeah, if you can get into GG it will simple suck your life away as there is toooo much stuff to learn with one character and so many crazy things you can do it has almost limitless depth, kinda like VF.

With any luck, the recent release of Slash will ignite some interest in players.

 

What kind of stuff did Faust get in Slash? When I played the Loke test in Japan all I figured out was some different properties on some of his moves when he's in his 'scalpel stance', and that you can hop around in it now. But overall how is he?

 

Faust: Overall improved, a few new random item tosses (little robo ky: more eradic on the way down, moves across the ground faster than little faust, little Potemkin: falls fast, moves across the ground slowly, takes 3 hits before he goes off screen, and the coin does absolutely nothing but it balances the new stuff that is good). He has the hop out of the stance and his stance has a mid low guessing game with his stance normals, p for mid, k for low, s for anti air, and d for item still. He has a just frame out of his HCF K that means if you do all of his HCF K canned combo, and get the just frame you can continue to combo afterwards. Other than these things he is pretty much the same.

 

Whats a good website (or specific page) for GG newbs. I always wanted to learn to play this game but it seems way too difficult and fast paced to wrap my brain around. SOrry if this is off subject

 

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Whats a good website (or specific page) for GG newbs. I always wanted to learn to play this game but it seems way too difficult and fast paced to wrap my brain around. SOrry if this is off subject

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Did you checkout the links I put in the previous page? /versus/images/graemlins/mad.gif

 

ahhh... yeah ... I got nothing. Thanks /versus/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /versus/images/graemlins/lol.gif /versus/images/graemlins/tear.gif /versus/images/graemlins/deadpan.gif

 

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thebradSHow said:

lol, the game isn't perfectly balanced but as far as 2d's go, it's prolly the best, a ton better than capcom or snk equivilants. The funny thing Hajile is what your saying OCCURS IN EVERYGAME!!!!!

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funny thing was, i was talking in the context that its the vf of 2d fighting games....

as far as i know vf is very balanced (cant you tell)

and as #reload is soooo un balanced it aint no VF

i have seen uk experts hav to learn other players cos their normaly choices hav been raped and the fact that every scrub in the arcade uses sol, they have to change.

as good as GG is, i think people have only started to get in to it as 1) they cant play ST or 3S to a high level

and 2) they found out they can play it like MvC

 

Do you play any GG Random?

I know Jericho does but then I thought he didn't like Reload too much and stuck with XX.

Are you going to the Neo Empire ST tourney soon?

 

in the context that VF is the most balanced of the 3d's, GG is the most balanced of the 2d's. Every character can win, here in Ohio, the best Anji player in america resides, he has won several tournaments, even though Anji was supposedly the worst in the game in #R, I play Baiken and Order Sol, I have won quite a bit, we also have strong May, Robo Ky, Eddie, Faust, Johnny, I no, Jam, and Sol players here so to say that someone has HAD to change to compete is a misrepresentation of this game. MVC: you pick Son Son, Amigo, and Shoma Gorrath and you try and compete at a high level against good Santhrax or MSP teams and you will get raped, GG: you pick Chipp and you can still beat an Eddie player in #R, you pick Dizzy and you can still beat Ky in Slash. We all like to think that VF is perfectly balanced but you pick Goh and fight Pai in Evo, it's a hard fucking fight, it's well balanced sure, and Goh CAN win there but against a Pai at about the same level, it's still a pretty damn hard fight to win. In regards to the reasons why people would play GG, I have played ST before, it's good for a 10 yr old plus game, but I don't feel it right now. 3S is fun but again, you pick twelve and you compete with the droves of Ken / Chun / Yun players out there (and win) and you will be considered the fucking man even by japanese standards.

Enough of that, Vith: as far as learning the game goes, the best choice for you personally would be getting with some of your local players and taking some ass whoopings while asking questions trying to learn the game. You happen to have 2 very good players pretty close to you in NJ (not sure 100% where) in Chaz - Mynusdono and Kyohei- MarlinPie. You can get at them through dustloop forums more than likely and play. Learning the game by yourself would be a ton easier if you read japanese, then you could probably just spend some time at www.ggxxbbs.net and learn anything and everything you want about the game. Plus the GGXX Slash Beat Encyclopedia is the best source of GG information that I personally have ever seen. You can find that online and if you can get someone to do some translation for you, than you are starting with a building block that most people aren't starting with (some basic knowledge of japanese style play). Also something not many people know, if you go to www.gamefaqs.com , type guilty gear in the search engine and check the faqs for either GGXX or #Reload, any of the FAQs that were done by a poster named EChang are normally translations of japanese mooks about those games, he's a local doctorate student who studies japanese in his free time and has done all the translation of information for RomanCancel. Any specific character you want information on, possibly the best place to go for america is dustloop (though a lot of the best players in america don't post up a lot of stuff), you could try posting up and asking specific stuff but that can be iffy cause you will get a whole lot of posts and only one of them or possibly none will be truly helpful information. Post up here and ask anything specific and also tell me what character you play and I will try and help you as much as I can.

 

NJ has a really good scene for GG. I know two hardcore players that live blocks from your store Vith, Mike & Kevin (Master Chibi & Zaelar). I'd suggest you register and post in the Guilty Gear NJ players thread. I'm sure they would be willing to meetup to play with you and teach you stuff.