Hakkyoku-Ken & Tourou-Ken

can anyone give me some more info about akira's and lion's fighting styles? I was serching the forums with no resaults.... there is a little about Hakkyoku-Ken in akira faq but I would like to know more. Praying mantis looks amazing but is it a real martial art? Thank you for your answers /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

Hakkyoku-ken aka Baji Quan or the eight extremes Chuan (Kung fu) is also known as the open-door eight extremes Chuan, which is one of the traditional Chinese Chuan schools. Baji Quan is known for its force-fullness, simplicity and combative techniques. According to Wushu proverbs: "For ministers, Tai Chi Quan is used to run the country and for generals, Baji Quan is used for defending the country." From this it can be seen that Baji Quan holds a significant position among various Chinese Chuan school. The Meng Village of Cangzhou in Hebei Province is the birthplace of the Eight Extremes and while it is mainly practised in north China, it is also found in some places in the south. The Wu-style eight extremes Chuan is said to have a history of more than 260 years. It was passed on from a traveling senior monk to Wu Zhong of the Meng Village. The book of Secrets of the Eight Extremes Chuan, therefore, proclaims that the Monk was the creator of the eight extremes Chuan and Wu Zhong was the first successor. Because of his excellence at spear play, Wu Zhong was known as Spear God Wu, the number one spear fighter from Nanjing to Beijing.

The eight extremes Chuan is simple and plain. It consists of short and yet menacing moves which are forceful, powerful and abrupt and demands hard play in both attack and defence. Elbows are often used in straightforward ways. The explosive powers generated are stimulated through breathing which is articulated by two sounds of "Heng" and "Ha." Powerful blows are delivered from elbows and shoulders in close combat against the opponent.

Yes Praying mantis is a real martial art.

 

akira

lion

akira's martial art reversal

reversal to throw


taken from Lau.VF's site

 

Onistompa: thanks for your post. That's what I wanted to know. If you could write anything else - I'm very interested in the matters. Maybe you know something about Tourou-Ken? pkg_inc : THOSE LINKS ARE FUCKING AMAZING!!!! /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif))

 

Just do an internet search on Mantis Kung-fu. I had no problems finding out all the information I could have wanted to know. I was really surprised to find out it's one of the younger martial arts - only 350 years old. Not quite as young as Aikido, but still...

 

tons and tons of martial arts fun

 

ROFLMAO at the music evertime u click on a link at the site. /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

You're welcome, read these.

Northern Praying Mantis Kung Fu

Southern Praying Mantis Kung Fu

 

Thanks. I owe you one. /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif I'm going to check some of theese tehniques on my brother /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

/imagines solidsnake ++ing his brother...

*lol*

Don't do it man /versus/images/graemlins/laugh.gif.

Whenever I saw videos similar to those I always wondered how a shoulder push can be effective.... Is it mainly good for pushing-away or is it also painful? Breaking balance maybe?

 

shoulders and back are mainly for balance but it CAN be used for damage but that's alot harder to do.

 

If you don't think a shoulder strike can be damaging, watch pro football for a while. Eventually you'll see a wide receiver or a tight end catch a ball and try to cut out and around, and get hammered by a lineman.

Think about this. You see people break bricks with their hands, feet and forearms. But if you put the hand on a long string, instead of an arm, and slapped it at the brick, you wouldn't break diddly. The hands and feet are extensions of the body. They apply the force generated by moving your body. A three inch punch works because you move your body a foot and build up the energy there, then apply it through the three inches you move your fist as you deliver it to your target.

Now realize that your arm has give in it. The joints and the bones themselves are flexible to a degree. That reduces the total power that gets applied.

A shoulder strike eliminates all that give. You pay for this, however. It's a hell of a lot harder to learn to deliver an accurate strike with your shoulder than your fist. Your arm has a lot more range than your shoulder does, and doesn't require as much body control. You are also going to have a huge impact area that reduces the pressure applied when you strike. An 1100 lb / square inch lunge punch centered on a 2 inch by 1 inch knuckle impact area drops down to around 230 lbs per square inch with a 3 inch by 3 inch shoulder impact area if it delivered the same energy. You may deliver greater energy, but the resulting shock isn't as great. The 1100 lb / square inch lunge punch will likely kill on impact with a chest. That's well over the required psi to fracture the top of a human skull, the thickest bone in the human body. The shoulder strike will break bones and knock down someone, and has the potential to kill, but it's not a sure thing.

If you don't understand the effects of the force being the same but the application area being different, here's an experiment to consider.

Pick up a brick, hold it about a foot above your other hand, and drop it. Piece of cake. It shouldn't hurt at all to catch it.

Drill a hole in the brick and put a nail through it. Now hold the brick a foot above the other hand, so that the nail is pointed down at your hand. Do you want let the nail hit your hand?

Each time you dropped the brick, the total energy delivered is the same, but the pressure is much, much higher with the nail.

 

shoulder stike is painfull: I did akiras ++ on my brother and he yelled as heLL : "OUUUUUCH YOU ASSHOLE! I'LL TELL MUM!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAUAAAAAAAA!" the last auuaaa was because I did + eblow, trying to gather energy with the stomp and blow it throuh the arm.... try it. In real life I'm practising capoeira, but I like to check various martial-arts moves. I mainly take them from games (tekken,vf) and do it just for fun.....but sometimes those moves (mentioned elbow) prove to be VERY effective. In other works, you can feel that that they work like theu should.... *what else is siblings for?*

 

nevertheless shoulder strike is hard to perform in real life ..... /versus/images/graemlins/confused.gif hell lion mves look simple but try to do them. I could barely imagine that praying mantis could works as a self defence well. Hakkyoku-ken is violent,forcefull and...direct (in yo face) so it may work...If I only had dojo in my town I would train it... guys you do any martial-arts?

 

There are two praying mantis styles. One works mainly off of nerve strikes and vital point strikes. The other works off of lots of chops, forearm, shoulder, and body strikes. Both styles include plenty of immobilization techniques.

You may think that the mantis style finger strikes would be ineffective, but I've seen demonstrations where someone breaks a 3/4 oak board with a 2 finger jabbing strike. Think about my analogy of the brick and the nail, and then change the nail to a thick needle instead. You can strike onto locations that a fist cannot, and damage internal organs much easier with finger strikes than with a fist or a chop. Nerve clusters in the armpit and along the ribs, 'open' points in the elbow and shoulder joints (where there are no muscles covering the nerves and ligaments), all the nerves at the sides of the neck and in the angle of the jaw (not just the traditional 'karate chop' strike) - the hollow formed by the collarbone, strikes upward underneath the rib cage and in some cases through the rib cage - all of those are prime areas for finger strikes, many of which can be crippling or deadly. Just poke yourself around with two fingers in some of those areas, and you'll understand a little better how effective those strikes could be.

Fingerstrikes do have problems. They require high accuracy and training. Conditioning the fingers takes much longer than conditioning a fist or the edge of your hand. And because of the pressure applied, it's very easy to injure someone when striking a vital area with a finger strike. You're not trying to break bones with finger strikes - you're usually driving into soft, easily damaged tissues or into exposed nerves. Most martial arts only teach advanced finger strikes at higher levels because of this. They're also not very versatile - you can't really do much with them other than injure someone.

I can't think of the proper way to explain versatility - maybe a judo neck hold is the best example. You can immoblilize with a proper hold, you can deliver pain with the same hold, you can injure them with a little more force, you can cripple them with more force, and then you can apply enough force to kill. Most fingerstrikes are pretty much three levels - ineffective/practice level, injure, and maximum effect. The ones that don't follow this pattern are usually nerve strikes.

 

methinks this thread belongs on Bullshido.....

 

This thread is from good times when players asked the real questions

But I am curious, is Lion's praying mantis style the only praying mantis style in a 3D fighting game? Do games like Street Fighter have Praying Mantis? I think I once saw it in Mortal Kombat.....