Having trouble with moves...(Please Help)

I am new to this game. I don't play fighting games very often, so I thought I would give one a try. I can figure out how to do moves except for ones such as these:

left button-P+KP, then down-diagonal left-right-P during guard or hit.

For this instance I don't understand the during guard or hit part.

Also,

I don't understand "(combo), then G while during a charge." When I press G to guard it won't allow charging. I just end up with the combo and then guarding.

The game manual says you can do a charge attack by holding the last button pressed, but I can't get that to work either.

I have been practicing in command training, so the characters can do these moves that I am giving.


So, basically I am having difficulty with moves that contain "during" and/or "then", and the charge attack. Thanks for your help.

 

left button-P+KP, then down-diagonal left-right-P during guard or hit.

For this instance I don't understand the during guard or hit part.

i have no clue what move you're talking about but...

you will do "left button p+kp" to get the move to come out. the "down-diagonal left-right-P" is a built in move within a move which can only be done as the opponent blocks, or gets hit by, a move.

example: jeffry's /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif is his threat stance, and from this stance he has a /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif attack. just as the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif is about to hit the opponent you can input a /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif which is a throw that will come out ONLY if his /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif is BLOCKED. if his /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif attack from threat stance is blocked the punch will then turn into a hit throw. if the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif hits or is ducked then nothing will happen.

so, it will look like this input wise:
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif

so, you have to press /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif at the very moment the punch is connecting with the opponent. it takes time to learn, but once you get it down you'll hit it more times than not.

I don't understand "(combo), then G while during a charge." When I press G to guard it won't allow charging. I just end up with the combo and then guarding.

you can charge some moves in vf by HOLDING DOWN /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif, OR /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif. when you charge a move it will come out WAY slower than it should, but it will eventually execute after so many frames regardless if you're still holding down the buttons. before the charged move executes, hit /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif WHILE HOLDING whatever button is required. this will make the charged move cancel.

a character that has a different version of this is vanessa. her /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif can be charged by holding the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif down. she will eventually lunge at the opponent with a kick. just before the kick comes out you can tap /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif to cancel the kick. this is possible because you should have let go of /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif by the time the kick is coming out.

it would look like:

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif (hold to max charge), /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif

i hope i was clear... it seems confusing but it's really not.

 

Thanks for your help, it sounds like something that requires perfect timing and perhaps even tedious. Oh well, it makes it a challenge. Anyway, here is a revision with the icons after I found them (I should have looked harder)...

Here is the move again:

Eileen (Sayu Gekishou ~ Taisei Honsou)

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif <span style='font-size: 11pt'>+</span> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif, then /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/db.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif during guard or hit

I think the other one regarding the "charge" was:

Pai Chan (Koushu Kasui Senpukyaku)

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif, then /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif during a charge

Although, in the book it reads:

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif (can be charged)

In command training it shows as:

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif, then /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif during a charge

 

just imagine that eileens /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/db.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif command as the last hit of the string, but instead of her regular /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif ending you have to add the qcb motion THEN the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif. you can actualy input it before the second punch actually connects, which makes the string really easy to do.

as for the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif, just hold the last /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif and hit /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif.

for a good example: pick akira and do his regular /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif. now, IMMEDIATELY after his /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif input a /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif. he will cancel his kick animation and will be standing position again. now, just do that while holding /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif with pai.

 

Thanks, I got the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif during charge to work, just needed to time it right. But, I still need to work on the "during guard or hit" part.