Help needed for Emergency Lau FAQ

Okay, I know the version that's up has many embarrassing typos and what not. I will release another revision soon. But I need help on one thing (at least)

Can you tell me what you know about lifting knife, super knife string (FC, d/f+P, P+K)? I wrote down what I knew about this move in VF3, but don't know much about the move's property in VF4.

In the next revision I will mention something about urawamari and jostick motion for doing instant lifting knife. Anything else you can think of, post away.

 

The double knife combo is D,df+P,df+P+K. It's nowhere near as powerful as in VF3, and doesn't even guarantee a df+PPPd+K like the normal superknife. Its primary use is for low float combos (standard one: b,f+P, d+P, df+P,df+P+K), and if you can get an MC, IIRC a Pb+PP is a safe bet.

 

upkn, d/f+PK canned combo seems guaranteed on major counter if it floats and major counter if the upkn hits without floating (which I think happens if you MC a punch, the damage isn't high enough to get a float. Or maybe it's hard to interrupt a punch on exactly the right frame. Or maybe the punch always beats the upknife. Anyway). On minor counter I think the D/F+P, D/F+PK combo is guaranteed.
If the second punch hits a crouching opponent, except on MC, it doesn't seem to float high enough for PPP type combos. It's typical for lau to do D/F+P and the opponent crouches and guards... gets hit by the d/f+PK... but then there isn't much reward for lau. Not even a stomp if they TR.
A nice theory to try out: since lau can do a canned crescent or sweep after any punch, it's possible you can do D/F+P, D/F+PK and then d+K+G, and the d+K+G may execute slightly faster than usual. It may catch a TR in the above situation. Never tried it.

one last bit, the string is useful in the (closed stance?) combo
u+K (MC) --> b,f+P --> d+P --> D/F+P,d/f+PK.

 

Nice FAQ. Some extra points to consider.

B,f+p is guaranteed after a fully charged p+k is blocked.
F+p+k can stagger(if opponent crouches) in ver.C, it will beat most high attacks(don't know about special highs though) and some mids like side kicks.
Don't think d+p+k can interrupt elbows, it beats punches every single time for me though(even when Lau has a frame disadvantage).
B,b+p--> d+p is no longer "canned" in Ver.C, its entirely possible to interrupt(with a fast move) Lau out of his d+p after blocking b,b+p. Not "safe" anymore.

 

Thanks for the inputs guys

New revision will be done today hopefully. . . One thing I would still like to clarify: I know in VF3 if D/F+P interrupted things like punch it didn't float, but the followup superknife was guarranteed. Is it the case for VF4 as well? Does VF4 have same MC characteristics?

 

Re: Thanks for the inputs guys

yeh. read my other post.

 

> which I think happens if you MC a punch, the damage isn't high enough to get a float

this doesn't happen in VF4 - MC damage is always consistent, a la VF1/2.

in VF4, the upkn will either float on MC (for any move) or it won't. i can't answer that, though.

 

Re: Thanks for the inputs guys

Hmm, no offense but it seems we have a conlfict between what people have to say about MC property in VF4. I think I will just say use this move for juggle finish. In anycase it seems like you can't do bb+P,d+PPPd+K off this move like VF3 anyway.

 

Re: Thanks for the inputs guys

it's not a conflict - it's documented fact. vf4 went back to the vf1/2 formula of major counters, which is +50% damage of the interrupting move (ie 30 point knee will get you 45 points no matter what you MC). in vf3 it was +50% of the move you interrupted - a knee MC'ing Kage's punch would only net you 35 points.

 

Re: Thanks for the inputs guys

Hyun...u might wannt add that Lau can be low thrown while charging the double palm~

Oops...I just found out that is a 'CPU miracle' move!

CPU in training can Low throw me...but I cannot seem to Low throw a CPU charging double palm Lau.