Hit checking

thank you for showing your movies!!!
I watched yours. then I thought......
this is just my opinion. please don't get angry....

I think Every player needs defense skill , counterattack for a big skill of chance, and Hit check. offense is Ok

Every player did not seem to do hit check. KAGE often back dash and escape after action.
when wolf swung and miss shoulder , Kage used only P ....

AOI guarded the big skill of a chance several times,but used only throw. 6P+KP is better.

wolf should have used the small skill of chansc.
If you got +3-5 advantage, sometimes you should throw because AOI dose not have the big skill of damage. don't afraid to get damege. onlyless then 50?40? If opponent character is LAU, you should be careful. lol


so.....I will ask kaminari_oyaji to show my movie to you when I go to St. Louis and play VF4FT. However, I am not sure whether I can use wolf .
I don't have KAGE and wolf cards, but I think kage is easy to use. My AOI is ohja but my AOI is so weak....lol

thank your for showing your movies. I enjoyed!

OK. I put it out. thanks a lot

 

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thanks, glad u enjoyed the matches, you seem to know alot about attacking many characters. Aoi is very difficult to throw at 3-5 advantage because she has many moves to break wolf's nitaku completely 0__0.(many characters are strong against wolf's nitaku because he has short elbow distance)-- but i will try to throw more, thanks~

secondly, sorry i showed you old movies /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif -- i just found them from a long time ago, haha. but they were fun.

there is a UK league soon, so hopefully we can get some of our best play online ^^* i have been working hard with defense lately. i am able to see the opponent more clearly and use the right choices i feel.

i know lots about wolf onto paper, but to use in a match, i need to know the opponent more i think /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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i think kage was using ARE after most of his disadvantage, (All round Escape technique) im not sure what the japanese word is:

(evade)(attack) <-- (preferblly attack with kage)

at -0 or safe positions i think he was using box step very much

kneeninja's main character is Akira, i guess that's why his play style is that way, lol. /versus/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

 

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yes!!!!! I already know because I have my movies......
these are terrible lol

by the way......
WHere can I see US players' movies? I would like to watch them.

 

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the media section updates with movies almost every day from around the world, there has been some US media lately, but now they use torrent files and can be found here.

i have lots of old and new media from all around the world on computer and on CD, and many from US. alot of the files are BIG~, some arent too big.

many people use IRC to transfer media to eachother. (EfNet server -- #VFhome).

i guess MSN can be used but i think it's slower, mine is bare_knuckle93@hotmail.com

^^*

 

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YOSUKE said:

thank you for showing your movies!!!
I watched yours. then I thought......
this is just my opinion. please don't get angry....

I think Every player needs defense skill , counterattack for a big skill of chance, and Hit check. offense is Ok

Every player did not seem to do hit check. KAGE often back dash and escape after action.
when wolf swung and miss shoulder , Kage used only P ....

AOI guarded the big skill of a chance several times,but used only throw. 6P+KP is better.

wolf should have used the small skill of chansc.
If you got +3-5 advantage, sometimes you should throw because AOI dose not have the big skill of damage. don't afraid to get damege. onlyless then 50?40? If opponent character is LAU, you should be careful. lol


so.....I will ask kaminari_oyaji to show my movie to you when I go to St. Louis and play VF4FT. However, I am not sure whether I can use wolf .
I don't have KAGE and wolf cards, but I think kage is easy to use. My AOI is ohja but my AOI is so weak....lol

thank your for showing your movies. I enjoyed!

OK. I put it out. thanks a lot

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Yosuke, what do you mean by "hit check"?

 

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hitcheck i take to mean for brad and jacky and then if stun or counter. and... all other instances.

 

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Doesn't it have some deeper strategic meaning that explains the situation in which it should be used.

 

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So he is talking about people looking too far ahead and automatically following through with 2 or 3 commands instead of looking at their situation after the first command and changing their actions accordingly?

 

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BK__
thanks for telling me. I was able to see some of my friends' movies, such as Itabashi Zangeif (Sh),KING(PA), sennin giri(KA),etc.

Mcoleman2
hello. nice to meet you.

vanity
hello niseto meet you.thanks,but I think a little different.

Mcoleman2
OK. I will explain you about hit chack. I think vanity told you that is one of bases skill. every action needs hit chack even P,2P,etc.

I have already thrown pai vs wolf away, but maybe. for example , PAI USUALLY doesn't need hit chack,but it is somtimes ok because PAI is not frame character. KING told me lol.I think so too.
As for this character, it is difficult for a partner to react because there are many things which a frame of the whole skill has a short. ,so King sometimes ignore a frame.

King seemed not to do hit chack, but he usually do hit chack. I know because King and I some VF4FT tournaments tied up.

this meaning is every action needs to do hit chack. you, however, should attack if your opponent character is frozen even though you have few minus frames.

I think you don't agree this explain . it is deffecult to explain , so can you wait about 2 months? I will ask kaminari_oyaji to show some of my movies.

to change the object....
I am not sure if I can show you good movie, but I won some players after Kakutou Shinseiki III even mu-mu dance. I played the same rank fight, so I remembered the score. 7 won 2 lost. Then I became better rank..

 

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Myke
thanks a lot!! your examples are more clearly.

hmm....
for example, if your opponent usually do escape, what should you do?
I am going to do throw or use The big skill of a chance more slowly.
then I think what I do if those are guarded. I will also think suddenly after a opponent act. finally, I will do my poor best.
I don't know whether a opponent will act,so I have to think that.I might think opponent's action without thinking.if so , It is made by practice
I guess most famous players have this skill.

Because I do not take the movement of a opponent good, I do not understand it well lol.
itabashi is good at reading movement of a opponent.

sorry Mcoleman2
my English is so bad that I can not good explain to you .

I think A decision counterattack is more important than hit chack for these AOI and RION

 

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yo Yosuke, don't sweat the details, english is a pretty messed up language but you'll get it, I'd bet 100% that your english is better than my japanese so it's all good.
Myke: you may wanna try and branch this thread off onto a different one considering it's more general tactics than the very specific ones that the title implies.

 

thank you kindly Myke, I just thought it had gotten a bit off the topic of "Pai's +1 and +5 situations".
As far as hit checking, I like to go on the premise of logical assumption and knowledge of the type of hit.
ex: You're playing Brad v Akira, let's say after a blocked DE, your opponent tends to ARE with YoHo, and you see this trend, so the next time you block DE, you sway left kick, you can assume that if it hits, it'll hit on CH so you can go ahead and hit check it (assumed if it hits, it'll CH, but it could still be blocked and very low percentage of them just not blocking and getting hit on regular hit) so if it hits, P or P,K for free (P,P,P or P,P,K if their low enough on life that it'll kill).
Basic example but it gets the point across I think. You can hit check but you have to look for it, train yourself to do it, that's what quest mode is for /versus/images/graemlins/wink.gif.

 

SH_
thanks for sending mail. I will return you soon.

Mcoleman2
I thought about your opinion. Then I realized that it is deffecult to become strong player without playing much time and get information from stronger player than someone.
I think playing much time is getting experience.
if you have still angry, I apologize to you.sorry.

I guess My English is so bad that you might get angry.

I also think hit chack is not important if you can win without it such as Chofu K*K Sarah.It is sometimes important if you want to win more earily.but A decision counterattack is also important .

finally, win is the most important at all tournament. lol

 

Yosuke,

I am not angry with you. I am not almost angry with you. I never was angry with you. I never thought about quite that way so you helped me out. I am happy that you are here.

You have no need to apologize.

Your English is much better than my Japanese, or any other second language for that matter.

 

Mcoleman2

OK. I thought that you must get angry because of my sentences. I wrote just some advice. I got feeling relieved.(^o^
please be my friend! (^-^)v

I guess I also will not be able to do hit chack because I have not been playing VF4FT for 7 months.

I want to tell you guys some advice. most of the American VF players can get information from movie and BBS only.
If we were able to play together, I would be able to teach you guys some advice MAYBEalmost anything.
just maybe almost...lol

I am going to kaminari_oyajis' house in ST .Louis on December 23th to 27th...
If you can go there, you should ask him to be able to go there. lol

P.S......kaminari_oyaji must be OTAKU lol

 

P.S......kaminari_oyaji must be OTAKU lol

Ok Yosuke...