How to NOT be afraid of Eileen (Ver. B)

Eileen annoys the LIVING SHIT out of me. Especially the mixups from her flippy move. I always get hit by one thing trying to stop theother thing. Any help on this matchup would be awesome!

 

Learn her (and frames); play her (learn to think like a Eileen player [LOL]).

In fact, play her for a while. You'll find her weaknesses.

Learn to recognize these moves:

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From there learn which ones your opponent uses the most.
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If you block something unsafe; punish it. Sarah's damage isn't terrible, but she needs to take it whenever possible:

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Once again; constant exposure will reveal a lot.

And don't /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif if you see and duck under /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/db.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif, the follow up is special high.

 

Thaks! I'll try it out. Also, to avoid starting another thread. How do I get around Lau's tech traps?

 

You can just stay down and not take the tech roll. If you're getting killed by their ukemizeme just stay down and let him get his light down stomp. Sometimes, they will play like you were going to tech but you don't and then you can hit them with your rising kick.

If you're not too, too predictable with when you tech roll it will make things a little easier, as they will have to hesitate a little, not knowing whether you will roll out or stay down.

 

Thank ya

 

slide needs to chime in here, he knows how to handle eileen's stuff.

 

I don't do half bad myself. I'd say KNEE.

See easy.

 

Use mids that scrape along the ground or her shoulder will shit on you (I've seen this thing go right through midkicks and even things like Vanessa's DS /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif). Eileen is one of the least frame dependent characters in VF, you'll have to learn a lot the hard way.

 

When I was using Goh a lot Eileen gave me absolute fits! I hated Eileen with a passion!

She's fast, tricky (a la the player too) and she's got some nice damage. She's a mix-up character so learning what levels to block her string options is a great place to start. I actually caught myself blocking a low sweep on instinct against her the other day and I was proud of myself.

Just knowing what she can do when (as in what moves come after what moves) will get you to, at least, not feel totally overwhelmed by her mix-ups. Her throw game is weak but it still gets me pretty bad so I know she's a handful.

Sebo gave you some REALLY good info up there and you should definitely listen. Go into dojo and do the moves he listed until you know exactly what they look like and what she can do after each one.

In my experience lately it helps to throw quick attacks to match her speed a little and stay in her face to pressure her. Respect her mobility because she has some great dodges and hops too. Especially the one where she quickly hops out and back in for a head crumple, that's deadly. I get hit by her low stagger kick more often than I'd like too.

 

(takes notes)

I played a little today and somehow started being able to backflip (7k) her flippy move on reaction lol. It works, but I know there's probably something better.

 

If you can react to it, you can interrupt it with /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif~/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif and follow up with propably any full-fledged aircombo. Try followup /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif(bounce) -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif or /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif Its harder to interrupt her QCF:/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif but the other moves are easy to interrupt.

For a long range mid that scrapes the floor, use /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif from range like Vane uses her sidekick. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif works also and sometimes you get a surprise bounce when you hit her out of the flip with it. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif also works to catch the opponent when Eileen is running away.
Utilize /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/uf.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif to beat lowpunches easy, both midattacks jump over low punch giving you a huge window in which you interrupt lowattacks. All the moves I listed are essentially safe (second kick of /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif isnt, but in practise it pushes opponent too far to be punished, also, dont do second kick if first is blocked or at least delay it)

Sebos list is nice, but doesnt have many moves that Eileen would actually get blocked. Good Eileens wont finish most of those strings if blocked. Doubleshoulder and /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/uf.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif are perhaps the most propable.

 

Thanks a lot, but what is p~g? Does that give you more time or something?

 

it's a way to clear the buffer inputs so you don't mistakenly get strings to come out after a P

 

Thanks. I just got done playing and fell victim to this a few times with Aoi. Good stuff!