How to punish with Aoi

That's a good point, but in the end I have to side with kingo here.

For an example, let's discuss Pai's in particular. Noting that Pai is at -19 when this move is blocked, launching her with either or after blocking her should theoretically be easy to do under any circumstance -- offline or online. Now blocking and then launching Pai in this situation is actually easy to do while playing offline in any mode. However, when playing online it's damn near impossible to hit Pai with either of those 18-frame attacks largely because of that lost frame, even during really smooth connections. And as a result, I find I have to resort to secondary options like or to get decent punishment damage after a blocked quite often.

Kruza

 

The fact that people feel the need to dumb themselves down due to the failures of online is exactly why I still can't take online fighting games seriously. That's a whole other can of worms though. Just know that if you plan on playing competitively offline, it's worth getting the timing on your proper punishers down. At least that's how I see it.

 

Really ? Then try it after blocking Sarah's 6PK ( -18 ) and tell me how many times you can punish with 66K or 33P+K. My ratio success is 0%.

 

After five minutes of practice, I got about a 75% success rate. This is easily achievable. You just have to practice inputting the 66 or 33 the moment you see her knee comes out then let go of G and hit K or P+K. I guess I'm just used to other games with WAAAAAAAAAAAY more strict buffer windows, but this seems like a fairly easy thing to achieve consistently to me.

 

Actually, I was mistaken about her move 6PK. For sure it's easy to do in practice mode when you know the dummy are going to do that move. But in an actual match ?

It was after her sweep 3K+G that I can't punish at all with 66K or 33P+K, not 6PK.


Kruza, Pai's 9KK is -19 on block so you should be able to punish it consistently since you have 1 more frame.
And don't talk about online lol. Also you can just punish with 33P - P+G hit throw.

 

Sweep being a single hit move is a little tougher, but still doable with practice. Also, I think you're misunderstanding something about "on the frame" punishment in fighting games. Unless there's a huge blockstun on a unsafe move, punishing unsafe moves on the exact frame is supposed to be more of a prediction thing than a reactionary thing. This doesn't apply so much for easy input moves, but moves with multi directional inputs, like Aoi's primary launchers, this is definitely the case.

In the example of that Sarah sweep, you should be inputting that 66 buffer the moment you're crouch guarding in anticipation and hitting the K when you confirmed that it's a sweep. People that play footsies in 2D fighters are very familiar with this kind of thing. It's tough to get the hang of at first, but if you practice it, it's a tool that can make you a better player overall. I see no reason why it can't be applied in this game.

 

Oh, but I got it.
In theory, with perfect input skillz and against a predictable player / masher ( you may just use reversal in that case ) you're right, but in actual game, nobody do it and prefer the hit throw.

I even saw japanese Aoi players punishing Sarah's 6PK with just PK lol

 

Ok let's see, Lion's "awesome lows" as an example:

2 K+G = -21
2KK = -18
1K = -23
3 K+G = -18
PP P+K = -19
hcf P = -16

Ok maybe a bit more often, just sayin'

 

Yeah, but he's the exception more than the rule. He has an arsenal of good lows, but they're all high risk. In the grand scheme of things, I'd still call it very rare.