Idiotic anime fans

This is both hilarious, sickening, and infuriating all at the same time:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/editorial.php?id=43

Not that I have anything against fansubs - they're a good way to help a series get known before it's licensed, or show people a series that would never ever be commercially viable to be translated.

The sheer arrogance of this response, though, is absolutely disgusting - saying that companies charge too much and should give out all anime for free, blah blah blah, fuck you go to hell even though you helped PRODUCE what we're subbing etc.

(I love the argument of "anime is too expensive in the US" - maybe because in Japan when you buy anime DVDs, you pay TWICE AS MUCH for HALF THE CONTENT. And the whole "It's free on TV" argument is null because reruns almost NEVER happen, and very few people can schedule their lives over whenever their favorite anime is on.)

I have to wonder at what point in time western anime fans transformed from a group of people who loved these weird foreign cartoons and wanted to support their overseas popularity in any and all ways possible, to a group of retarded anti-establishment kiddies who want everything brand-new FOR FREE RIGHT NOW .

I hate people sometimes. >_<

 

I watch alot of Anime, and most of it is in Japanese, but considering that none of my friends understand Japanese, I almost always buy in fansub (or download), and purchase either multiregion DVD's, or ones with mutitple language tracks/subtitles.

Recently we stumbled upon a site that had recorded the full list of Dragon Ball Z movies (not movies of the episodes, the long feature movies). All of them had fansubs copied over the oringinal film, and were in decent quality, so of course we took a day off from summer work and watched nearly all of them.

Being in New York at the time, there was no real alternative solution to this, considering that all of the DBZ episodes that have been translated by like Funimation and all those companies, SUCK /versus/images/graemlins/mad.gif!!

Not only that, but I am sure a man like Akira Toryama would not want fans deprived of his work because they can't pay a thousand dollars worth of DVD's and Japanese DVD players, not too mention shipping....................oh the shipping used to be terrible..

I think that they should have been able to fansub the movies, because that is perfectly legal (it is). But sharing the files over the internet, tsk tsk, is not.

A couple years ago, Anime was released on VCD's a format, which was inexpensive and fast to produce, DVD's are costly and take forever to make.

I think the point of making Anime a couple years ago, and in the 80's, especially around the time of Transformers, DBZ, Gundam, and the smash hit legacy Akira (fuck yeah Akira kicks ass), most anime was made for the fans, so people could watch it.

But just like all things now a days, money has to be an issue unfortunately. No matter, sports, entertainment, even simple things that used to be free (Drivers Education in upstate NY wtf do I want to pay for it for?), all now have to do solely with money.

DBZ is now the anime series which spins off shitty videogames, which are like ten times more popular than VF4 ever will be....

Transformers is being fucking disgraced with this Armada shit, this series really fuckin pisses me off sometimes, it just sucks compared to the real Transformers.

Akira, if this gets remade into a real movie, someone is gonna have to be murde........talked to in a friendly manner. Even Akira has toys for it, and a (cancelled) video game.



Anime was good at its peak, but now we are seeing more and more shit anime outselling the good anime, Pokemon anyone?



Gotta Catch 'Em All!!!

 

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Wow you really are an idiot

 

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Fishie said:

Wow you really are an idiot

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Stop trolling man if you want to have some kind of flame war, just say it, rather than being circumloquacious pertaining to your constant trolling/spamming of short messeges.

 

Hey your the troll Fishie's been here much longer than you cat sandwhich. /versus/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

 

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El_Barto said:

Hey your the troll Fishie's been here much longer than you cat sandwhich. /versus/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

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Damnit, will you stop posting crap like this. Your post has nothing at all to do with anime whatsoever. Either contribute to the topic (without trivial matters), or don't post here please.

 

Since when did you take over adminstration of this site. Ok I like Yu Gi Oh, it's cool anime.

Your still a damn troll!

 

Uh... does this message have a POINT? WTF does this have to do with what I posted?

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empnova said:

I almost always buy in fansub

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Fansubs aren't supposed to be SOLD. If they are, that's super-duper-un-legal.

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(or download), and purchase either multiregion DVD's,

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You do realize a good majority of multiregion DVDs are illegal Taiwanese copies, right?

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or ones with mutitple language tracks/subtitles.

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Which is practically every commercially released US anime.

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Being in New York at the time, there was no real alternative solution to this, considering that all of the DBZ episodes that have been translated by like Funimation and all those companies, SUCK /versus/images/graemlins/mad.gif!!

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And, uh, why? There ARE uncensored and uncut editions for sale too, you know. Just because they've made an edition that's mass-market friendly is no reason to decry them, since the "PURIST" version can be had as well.

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Not only that, but I am sure a man like Akira Toryama would not want fans deprived of his work because they can't pay a thousand dollars worth of DVD's and Japanese DVD players, not too mention shipping....................oh the shipping used to be terrible..

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Toriyama's probably too rich from drawing the same old junk over and over and over now to care, but that's not the point.

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A couple years ago, Anime was released on VCD's a format, which was inexpensive and fast to produce, DVD's are costly and take forever to make.

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In Asia. Mostly illegally.

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I think the point of making Anime a couple years ago, and in the 80's, especially around the time of Transformers, DBZ, Gundam, and the smash hit legacy Akira (fuck yeah Akira kicks ass), most anime was made for the fans, so people could watch it.

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You're thinking from a US standpoint. There was brainless mass-market crap in Japan in the 80s too.

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But just like all things now a days, money has to be an issue unfortunately. No matter, sports, entertainment, even simple things that used to be free (Drivers Education in upstate NY wtf do I want to pay for it for?), all now have to do solely with money.

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Holy crap folks, PEOPLE WANT TO MAKE A LIVING OFF WHAT THEY PRODUCE AND DO! SHOCK! I'm not exactly Miss Capitalism here but things like entertainment and sports events aren't exactly vital to human function and probably deserve to be paid for.

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DBZ is now the anime series which spins off shitty videogames, which are like ten times more popular than VF4 ever will be....

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So you brought it up WHY?

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Anime was good at its peak, but now we are seeing more and more shit anime outselling the good anime,

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Cowboy Bebop is one of the most popular series worldwide. By this logic, of course, it HAS to suck.

 

Thats pretty entertaining right there. Anime Junkies is gonna get shithammered plain and simple. I'm confused though, I thought most anime worth watching could be obtained for free online...... /versus/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Also - yeah Cowboy Bebop really fucking sucks, I realized that after buying a soundtrack, all the DVDs, and going out of my way to see the movie in theaters.

.........here's a word puzzle - b_n _mpn_v_

 

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Zero-chan said:

Uh... does this message have a POINT? WTF does this have to do with what I posted?

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empnova said:

I almost always buy in fansub

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Fansubs aren't supposed to be SOLD. If they are, that's super-duper-un-legal.

Sure I have purchased fansubbed anime, but some of it was not even released onto video or DVD, anywhere, so what else can you do.

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(or download), and purchase either multiregion DVD's,

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You do realize a good majority of multiregion DVDs are illegal Taiwanese copies, right?

These DVD's are transferred onto multiregion discs from the original, a company does this with a service charge, and it is 100% legal in the US. You also get to keep your original copy.

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or ones with mutitple language tracks/subtitles.

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Which is practically every commercially released US anime.

Not the DBZ episodes, all of them are in English dub, with no subtitles, the first couple months of episodes released in America were all done with American voice acting with no subtitles or closed caption.
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Being in New York at the time, there was no real alternative solution to this, considering that all of the DBZ episodes that have been translated by like Funimation and all those companies, SUCK /versus/images/graemlins/mad.gif!!

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And, uh, why? There ARE uncensored and uncut editions for sale too, you know. Just because they've made an edition that's mass-market friendly is no reason to decry them, since the "PURIST" version can be had as well.

There is not one American store in NY state that carries Anime DVD's that are all in Japanese language, with American subtitles, that will work in an American DVD player. Some Anime fans consider "translating" the anime is a form of censorship anyways, because alot is lost in the translating.

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Not only that, but I am sure a man like Akira Toryama would not want fans deprived of his work because they can't pay a thousand dollars worth of DVD's and Japanese DVD players, not too mention shipping....................oh the shipping used to be terrible..

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Toriyama's probably too rich from drawing the same old junk over and over and over now to care, but that's not the point.

Toriyama's done much work and consulting for free, and he had little to do with half of the Japanese and American Dragon Ball media. Alot of the animated episodes are extrapolated from his work of the comics, and are then given frames from the stills, and colores in. Oh and he is not that rich at all, most people think he has tons of money, but for the amount of DB items that sell, he takes very little of the cut.

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A couple years ago, Anime was released on VCD's a format, which was inexpensive and fast to produce, DVD's are costly and take forever to make.

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In Asia. Mostly illegally.

No, not illegally, the VCD's are legal to be sold on the internet, so I am guessing that you are referring to people who burned episodes onto VCD's. I don't think that a special edition boxset of anime on VCD's made by the company that produced the series is necessarily illegal.

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I think the point of making Anime a couple years ago, and in the 80's, especially around the time of Transformers, DBZ, Gundam, and the smash hit legacy Akira (fuck yeah Akira kicks ass), most anime was made for the fans, so people could watch it.

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You're thinking from a US standpoint. There was brainless mass-market crap in Japan in the 80s too.

I know, but it is alot worse in America, by far.

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But just like all things now a days, money has to be an issue unfortunately. No matter, sports, entertainment, even simple things that used to be free (Drivers Education in upstate NY wtf do I want to pay for it for?), all now have to do solely with money.

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Holy crap folks, PEOPLE WANT TO MAKE A LIVING OFF WHAT THEY PRODUCE AND DO! SHOCK! I'm not exactly Miss Capitalism here but things like entertainment and sports events aren't exactly vital to human function and probably deserve to be paid for.

Take a look at time periods like the 1900-1980, when actors acted for an Acaedmy Award, or baseball players would play for nice salaries and would play to get into the hall of fame. Now a days, actors and players take home more money from a years work, that most third world countries can afford in a year. Back during the start of Anime, no one would make anime for the sake of money, it was all who could make a damn good show/comic/movie. Akira is the prime example of that. Pokemon is the exact opposite, that series literally hooks kids into thinking they have to "catch 'em all"
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DBZ is now the anime series which spins off shitty videogames, which are like ten times more popular than VF4 ever will be....

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So you brought it up WHY?

Brand loyalty > Quality
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Anime was good at its peak, but now we are seeing more and more shit anime outselling the good anime,

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Cowboy Bebop is one of the most popular series worldwide. By this logic, of course, it HAS to suck.

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Is Cowboy Bebop more popular than Pokemon, no way in hell. I never said it would suck, I am saying that lame ass kiddie shows will eventually outsell it.

 

Here's another word puzzle:

FUCK EMPNOVA IN THE ASS WITH A STIC_

 

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As if AnimeJunkies' behavior wasn't enough of a reason to stay away from their fansubs, their leet communication skills make me doubt they could transcribe english, much less translate japanese.

Give empnova the benefit of the doubt here. He obviously learned everything he knows about grammar, netiquette, and copyright law from reading that atrocious AnimeJunkies email.

Oh, and Emp - about your poorly nested

<emp>There is not one American store in NY state that carries Anime DVD's that are all in Japanese language, with American subtitles, that will work in an American DVD player. </emp>

claim, just to waste time instead of studying my japanese, I spent 1 minute on google:

"+no dub" site:www.animeondvd.com

This yielded a number of dvds which are japanese audio w/ english subtitles only. First one that came up was Armored Trooper Votoms, released for the US on dvd by us manga corps.

Another minute on google yielded a store called image anime, which claims to have said dvds. They are located in "Manhattan New York City 103 West 30th Street, between 6th & 7th Ave." I admittedly dont know much about yankee geography but I think that's in new york state.

 

That was mean & inappropriate & really not very funny. Sorta. I apologize to everyone (& you empnova...sorry).

Stealing is bad. Buying or being given stolen stuff is no better. These are some things we should avoid.

 

Well, slightly more on topic, this actually does change my outlook on fansubs. I sure hope AJ aren't even a partially representative sample of fansub groups. People like them are going to screw things up for people who are actually interested in current japanese pop culture, as opposed to free entertainment. For that matter, even the "honest" fansub groups should probably really only be distributing scripts.

Dont worry too much about the insults, it's probably what he's looking for anyway. If he's not a troll, he's remarkably ignorant. Back to feeding time, because Zero can't provide all the troll chow:

<emp> These DVD's are transferred onto multiregion discs from the original, a company does this with a service charge, and it is 100% legal in the US. You also get to keep your original copy. </emp>

Nope, breaking region encryption is almost certainly illegal, even if it shouldn't be - do a google search for "DMCA".

<emp> no one would make anime for the sake of money, it was all who could make a damn good show/comic/movie. Akira is the prime example of that. </emp>

Akira was the most expensive animated film of that time. They sure didn't make it to hand it out for free on BitTorrent.

<emp>I don't think that a special edition boxset of anime on VCD's made by the company that produced the series is necessarily illegal.</emp>

VCDs aren't inherently illegal, but the vast majority of the ones you see are pirated , and don't put any money in the hands of the creators.

In short, empnova, if you arent a troll, please don't buy anymore fansubs or bootlegs, and please think before you post.