I'm new and I hate aoi

K so, how the heck to you overcome aoi with the never ending cheapness of her instantaneous dual reversal?

 

Which character are you using? Also you can throw her.

 

And sweep her, or try a K+G attack. If you juggle her (knock her up into the air), you can land more hits on her than most other cast members.

 

Try not to duck too much against a "dancing Aoi" most of her attacks look like she'll hit you low but most of them end up being faked into mids or highs. Having fought GunSniper a few times I watched the replays & thats what i noticed

 

Most of the aoi players have bad habits, try to read his game and punish with a throw when he tries the reversal

 

The first thing to remember when fighting against Aoi is to be patient. Don't be quick to throw out a fast attack every single time after gaining any type of advantage. All Aoi players -- and I mean all of them -- love to fight opponents who routinely does that. Before responding with any attacks, try to recognize what that Aoi player is doing once they give up the advantage after whiffing an attack of their own or getting it blocked. Then you respond accordingly.

Don't try to fuzzy often against an Aoi player who likes to go to from medium to long range. That move absolutely kills fuzzies, plus it starts fairly damaging combos. (Some of the higher-difficulty combos from are extremely damaging, but most Aoi players don't really go to them.) If you like to move around a lot via evade cancelling use the forward dash version and not the crouch dash one, as you'll have an opportunity to block if you apply the former technique. And by the way, this move kills failed evades too. So be careful when looking to sidestep from medium to long range against a seasoned Aoi player. Also don't be discovered as a frequent low puncher during predictable moments as you'll then open yourself up to a healthy dose of backdash > throughout the entire match.

Aoi's back turned move is actually quicker than her forward-facing low punch. So if she gets to this point with a counter hit attack, don't be eager to immediately attack or back throw her whenever you see her back turned while standing close to you. You'll likely get CH back with that move and next get opened to a brand new batch of evil BT antics from that Aoi player in the future.

I hope this helps you out some.

Kruza

 

Taka has a easy time against Aoi, 33P+K beats every "dance" aka Tenchi attempt and options all the time as an double limbed launcher, plus she can't combo him worth shit where as Taka does a fuckton of damage on her from pretty much every juggle. So my advice; Pick Taka.

 

He can beat Aoi with anyone, he just need to have a better understanding of Aoi like Kruza mentioned. When it come down to it everything in VF can be stopped. Some things might be very hard to stop ,but don't say you can't stop it.

 

aoi isnt cheap...just misunderstood

 

im an aoi player i think i can safely say all aois hate people who play very defensively

 

Welcome to VFDC. Aoi isn't cheap, in fact, I'm going to go on a limb and say that she is the most real character in VF at the moment. There is no bullshit with this character, just skill. If you are having a hard time with her stance, throw her, do a low, or hell just 2P her out of it cause there is no autopilot reversal property that stops low jabs in her stance. Also, make sure to go to practice mode or look at your character's move list and see what works, or rather, makes the most sense in a situation where you think an Aoi would use the mid reversal or stance. Pretty much every character has a specific mid (like Shoulder rams) that can't be reversed by her stance (Such as Aoi's 46P+K).

 

Also to add on to this her tenchi n'you stance on stops mid highs that are linear or half circular. Circulars beat most of her reversal and tenchi stance all together. Thats a must when u fight aoi. also try not to use alot of combos on her because of the stance.

 

I think the quickest and easiest adjustment to make is to throw aoi much more than you do just about any other character. As said above, almost ALL aoi's will try to reverse far too much. They rarely do an reverse and TE.

This will help to put a bandaid on your matches until you learn her better.

p.s. If you think aoi is cheap, just wait until you get better and face some of the stronger people using other characters

 

The OP is complaining about "dual reversal" ie. Tenchi. Back in VF5 vanilla i had compiled a list of fast mid unsabakiable attacks per character. Those will beat Aoi's tenchi AND her sabakis. The list is also useful vs sabaki heavy characters like goh, DS vanessa, BT lei fei and, why not, reversal-happy akira and pai players. I didn't include LOW unsabakiable attacks because any low will always beat Aoi's tenchi anyway. I didn't include HIGH unsabakiable attacks either because these can lose to a simple low punch abare. I do include the few special high ones though.

Here's my attempt to update the list for VF5FS (from faster to slower, with move type & payoff on CH):

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Akira: Double Palm MDP 13+f KD; Shoulder Ram SH 16+f stagger; b,f+p+k MDP 17f KnockDown; Bodycheck BK 17+f KD; p+k MDP 18f; f,f+p+k SH 19+f hit-throw mixup.
Aoi: b,df+p MDP stagger; b,df+p+k MDP 16f stomach crumple
Brad: uf+k MDK 14f KD; f,f+k MCR 18f KD
Eileen: uf+k MDK (? sb confirm it's MDK please) 17f float; D,df+p+k SH 18+f float; uf+p MDP (?) 21f float
El Blaze: u+p+k MDP 20f slam float; ub+k SM (?) 18f stagger; uf+k MDK 25f stomp or low throw attempt (?); jumping p ? ? slam
Goh: Shoulder Ram SH 16+f stagger; HCF+p+k MHD 25f KD
Jacky: Somersault SM 14f KD; uf+k MDK (?) 14f KD; b,f+k+g MCR 17f KD
Jean: f,f+p+k (?) MDP 15f (?) KD; uf+k+g MDK 14f KD; b,f+k+g SM 23f stagger
Jeffry: b+p+k MHD 17f; b,df+p,p MDP 18f KD; b,f+p+k MHD 19f slam float; f,f+p+k SH 25 hit-throw
Kage: ub+k+g SM 15f KD; ub+k SM 16f KD; f+k+g MDK (?) 21f float; df+k+g MDK 23f KD; f,f+k+g MDK 25f KD
Lau: ub+k SM 16f KD; uf+k MDK 20f float; (maybe uf+k+g,p? sorry, i'm not that familiar with his new moves)
Lei Fei: b,df+p+k MDP 14f KD; uf+k+g 16f float; b,f+p MDP 19f; u+k+g MCR (?) 21f (probably more)
Lion: D,f+p+k MDP 16+f side crumple; uf+k MDK (?) 16f down; f+k+g MCR 25f KD
Pai: df+p+k MDP 12f KD; ub+k SM 16f down; D,df+p+k MDP 16+f float; b,f,f+p+k SH 17+f down or side crumple; f,f+k+g MDK (?) 20f float; k+g H*CR (?) 21f; f+k+g MDK (?) 26f float, ub+k+g SM (?) 22f stagger
Sarah: ub+k SM 14f KD; uf+k MDK 20f float
Shun: u+k+g MDK 17f float; MDK f+k+g 22f float (please confirm, is this the input for his mulekick and the new "handstand" floater? anything else?)
Taka: f,f+p,p MDP 14f KD; df+p+k MDP (?) 16f; df,df+p+k MDP 17f float; k+g,p BK (?) 17f float
Vanessa: f+pkg SH 19f stagger; DS f,f+k MCR 22f KD; OS k+g H*CR 37f guaranteed p,p,k; jump/IS k MCR stagger
Wolf: D,df,f+p MDP 14f down; f,f+p SH 16f KD; uf+p MDP 18f hit throw; b,f+p+k SH 20f float; uf+k MPK 27f stomp or low throw attempt (?)

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Please bear in mind that the command lists don't specify the actual move type for each attack anymore so i'm going by memory/guessing by animation here, there's bound to be some stuff wrong or missing, sorry.