Is 3PP a useless move?

Whenever I play Brad, I find myself instinctively spamming this move: /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif . Is this a bad habit? The move is fairly bad on whiff and guard, but seems to do me right surprisingly often.

However, I never see this listed in any preferred move lists, and never hear mention of it. Is this a bad habit that I just need to train out? The other option is to hit /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif , and go from there, but I find that this string takes slightly longer for me to pull out. Is it just a matter of training myself to buffer better?

Any expert help would be greatly appreciated.

--Adam

 

Of course it is a problem if you do it too often but overall it is a nice move. Especially when the second hit is CH. You could time it that only the second /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif hits.
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif is also used in a black book combo and makes nice damage.
To get rid of this habit try to spice up your gameplay with moves like /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif.

Hope this will help you.

 

Yo,

Thanks for the advice. Part of the trouble of using /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif as a mix up is that I don't find them applicable in the same situations - /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif is used from a standing position, while the Sobral kick is used from a ducking position (unless there's something I'm missing?).

--Deathsushi

 

You could buffer the command by doing /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/db.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/db.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif. Some actually prefer to do it like this /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/db.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/db.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif

The trick is by inputing a crouch dash first then finish the motion as if you were ducking; once you go into a croush dash you automatically enter a crouch state.

 

It's all true about how useless /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif is when compared to /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif but I've found a somewhat limited use for it.
An opponent that is really good at fighting Brad (or just really good, period) will duck after Brad does /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif in expectance of the followup /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif, once that whiffs high expect Brad to be punished BUT if you use it to play mindgames, such as:
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif (watch what they do after those two attacks connect, if they stand 0frame throw, if they crouch again, do /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif.
This is just an example of the mind games that you can play with this move, you could do just one /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif and go from there or do three in a row (trust me, against an opponent who keeps expecting the followup high elbow, it will work but you have to mix it up).

But yeah, it's almost useless. On block /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif (-4) is better than /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif (-6) but on hit it's (-2) (wtf/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif) it's only worth a damn on counter hit but you might as well go for other faster, more rewarding attacks.

There IS a perfect time to use it though: when you block a low attack that leaves your opponent at -15.
Even on minor counter (when they are recovering from an attack) both /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif will combo and leave you at +1 /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Why not just do /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif you ask? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif does 1pt more damage.

You have to ask yourself if towards the end of the round when your opponent's got a little bit of health, would you risk not going for that 1pt more of damage?

Keep in mind that as your opponent adapts to your offense you have to adapt to their defense.

 

FUNK! I never knew that you can buffer a forward dash to react faster from a crouch, argh.

 

Wicked guys, again, the advice doesn't dissapoint! Thanks a lot for the detailed breakdown. Seeing the benefits of /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif really helps make it clear. Back to the dojo again.

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+--Deathsushi

 

Damn it, Myke! You're right, yet again! I hate it when that happens /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif
Lol /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif Nah, thanks for pointing that out, didn't have the game with me when I wrote that, I was playing Theory Fighter in my head and forgot to account for the crouching, 'doh!
XD

 

3p has its uses if you condition your opponent to think you won't do the follow up and have them abare wit a high or mid. Most people that know whats coming will duck or use 2p. If you can predict a 2p then you can use something appropriate. (DM comes to mind) If they abare it causes them to hit the ground for a combo. Also you can follow this up with brads phasing turn should they tech roll. Also if they don't tech roll and you do the phasing turn make wure you do phasing turn p+k into another phasing turn p+k in case they decide to kick so you can get a free back turn combo.

 

Good stuff, Low Sweep, can't wait to see/play your new and improved Brad /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

DeathSushi, it's also useful in one of Brad's most powerful combos: /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif (counter hit for midweights/regular hit for lightweights) or /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif

 

Oh yeah, the nice blackbook combo.

 

Against Eileen, and maybe other lightweights, you can use:

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif.

If I remember correctly, there are two conditions. You need to be in the closed foot position and the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif must connect on counter hit at long range. It's the highest damage Rising Upper combo that I know of.