Is there any defensive character?

Aoi can sometimes sub ETEG with reversal TE, and sabaki's are a great defensive tool have you seen DS Vanessa's 1P goto work?

 

Yeah, they all sucked. I didnt say they didn't, or that Sarah ISN't weak. One of the main reasons she is 'lowtier' is because her damage off counterattacks sucks. So Im doubly perplexed hearing about "great punishment game".

 

Guaranteed punishment.

 

Which is Sarah-specific because?

Is Sarah the only character you are comparing Sarah to?

 

What? no, but her guaranteed punishment is pretty decent across the board.

 

No in relation to actual punisher. For example Kage's and Lei Fei punishment game is weak. While Brad's and Akira is really strong. Sarah is up there as well.

Anyway this isn't a thread about tiers

 

I know but both those options seem a lot riskier than stuff like ETEG and fuzzy guard and those techniques aren't character specific.

I know fuzzy and ETEG can be beat too but it's a lot safer than reversals or sabakis.

 

ETEG helps to try and get you out of the mid/throw mixup. A mid reversal would reverse the mids, and throw escaping during that would prevent some throws.

ETEG loses to catch throw.
reversal TE loses to catch throw.
ETEG loses to delayed attacks.
reversal TE loses to delayed attacks.
ETEG loses to full circulars.

Aoi has a full circular reversal too doesn't she?

Sabaki's you're attacking so you beat or clash the throw, so you don't even need to worry about escaping throws there unless it's evaded.

 

ps. Aoi is the only one who can even reverse all attacks of one hit level. For other characters there exist unreversable attacks as well.

pps. Sabakis lose to unsabakiable attacks.

 

Thanks for the lesson on what beats what, haha but that's not really what I was getting at.

I mean, isn't using a reversal/sabaki at disadvantage similar to attacking at disadvantage? It just seems more offensive than defensive to me. I did try and ask why people consider it defensive originally but no one seems to know.

And yeah of course you can enter TE's during a reversal, every character can defend after or during an attack. Pretty sure it doesn't make the original attack a defensive one though.

 

ETEG loses to half or full circulars of any hit level.

Hit levels aside, I'm talking about the mid/throw mixup, thanks.

Do you even know what you're saying now?

 

Yep... reversals/sabakis, attacking at disadvantage, guaranteed punishers = all offensive not defensive, don't see why they are being discussed in this thread.

 

i think the answer to the op's question is that every character in vf can be played defensively and/or offensively (hence the terms moral and abare).

it's one of the beautiful things about vf.

 

Well how about you explain why i'm wrong, I did state this as a question originally but instead of answering (seeing as you obviously know the answer...) you just asked if i'm serious then continued to talk about unrelated poop.

 

Everything has a weakness in this game. Somebody better define what 'defense' means.

If it means options available when the character is at disadvantage, then yes, Slide has a point.

Sarah's non-universal defensive options in this sense are also very weak. The little she has, happen to be IN flamingo.

Guaranteed punishment options arent part of defense however. More like a continuation of it.

 

Yeah Slide I already know you're upset cause people have ruined your chance to moan about how weak Sarah is, no need to get all silly about it.

Next time you're moaning about you're chosen character i'll try to refrain from spoiling your fun.

This is all I wondered too.

 

He was doing his best telling us how great Sarah is!