It has begun

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I am against the war, but time to rock n roll.

 

Well, kids, the betting is over. Now it's time to watch the dice roll. Will it come up lucky 7, or craps?

Again, I will say that this is a mistake, and will be remembered in time as a mistake. That said, we all hope this war is finished as quickly and cleanly as possible.

 

If their "Target of Opportunity" in fact missed Saddam as I suspect, then they are in for a very bloody conflict once they get halfway to Baghdad. If Hussein will gas his own cities like he did in the late 80's against the Kurds, then I am sure he will not treat an invading force very lightly. I do not feel this "War" is right, but since it is started they better finish it quick or we will have a lot of families in the US crying from the loss of loved ones. May your philosophy or religion give you comfort in this time of trouble.

 

As i type 3 scud missles have been fired into N Kuwait so americans use there trusty Missile defence systems to try and shoot em down, also american cruise missile have hit some targets in the iraqi capital civilians have died and america say that those were meant for saddam, that is totally sick.

 

The first casualty of war is innocence.

 

first casualty is truth. innocence always suffers because of that first hit though.

GE

 

personally i thought truth died ages before this "war" even began...

 

Forget not that this is something being undertaken by both the US *and* the UK. Blame not only the Americans for pushing this through.

Imo, I don't see how useful it is for any of us to make philosophical statements on the situation at all. Just a waste of typing.

cheers,

 

It was kind of anti-climatic and f*cked up prime time. /versus/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Still we can take comfort in the fact that whatever happens in Iraq, it will most definitely help get "Dubya" voted out of office.

 

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Imo, I don't see how useful it is for any of us to make philosophical statements on the situation at all. Just a waste of typing.



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more or less of a waste of typing then debating moves of a video game or teaching people to be good at a certain character? I'd vote less since once debate or philosophizing is done a person can take what they've learned and do something with it in the real world (become involved in a process, effect a change, become more than a tourist in their own life).

Hopefully, the more people type or read what's been typed the more informed they will be (or get the impetus to be informed) about the policies and actions being acted out that affect their lives more than, say, movies or games or cars or sports teams or....well...the endless distractions just go on and on, don't they?

GE

 

Im very torn on this subject. I really dont like the us throwing around it size this way. I also dont like regime's who treat there people with such disregard. I guess if i thought it was more about human rights and less about oil and satisfying the american public i could support this action more. It does have a silver lining though If the us does this right the iraqy people could stand to gain alot. Well those are just my thoughts no more or no less important than anyone else's. Im just tired of some people seeing this is all good or all bad. war is never all good or all bad. its a grey area.

Also could we refrain from posting qoutes about war. All it shows is that you can post other people's opinion as your own. Lets get some more original thought going here

 

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Still we can take comfort in the fact that whatever happens in Iraq, it will most definitely help get "Dubya" voted out of office.

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Actually, polls went up 10% in favor of Bush after the war was officially announced. Just an interesting tidbit, but this is not something that will get Bush voted out, if anything, he's helping reinforce his campaign for his second term. That's not to say I feel he's right, but I do feel that regardless of what anybody thinks, or thought, this war was inevitable (not that it had to happen, but that there was no way it wouldn't).


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It does have a silver lining though If the us does this right the iraqy people could stand to gain alot.

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Also, it should be noted that no government ever installed by one nation in another has succeeded. Only internal uprisings have ever been able to effectively change the infrastructure of a nation. The problem with that is, the Iraqi people certainly aren't in any position to scale an effective uprising in Iraq. Thus, although the US needs to invade Iraq to move out the regime currently in power, they will not be instating a system that the Iraqi people want, they will make it what they think the Iraqi people will want. America is so closed-minded and caught up in its own idea of what is right and wrong, that they don't see how other people would have any desire to live differently from the way they live. America thinks that it is its job to decide what is right and wrong in this world, but don't realize that that's not the way the entire world thinks, and thus often are inconsiderate and ignorant of different ways of life and thinking.

Please note that I do not wish to offend any of you on this board who are American citizens, and love the American way of life. To you, and even to me, there may seem to be nothing wrong with it. But also, being an outsider looking in, it's possible to more objectively see and analyize the way other outsiders may feel on the issue.

 

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I'd vote less since once debate or philosophizing is done a person can take what they've learned and do something with it in the real world (become involved in a process, effect a change, become more than a tourist in their own life).

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I agree with this if what I was I originally responding to was anything close to what you describe. Philosophizing with constructive remarks/opinions is great, however the following I feel are not constructive, just kinda dumb:

"The first casualty of war is innocence."

There's nothing constructive here. I'd almost call it political-thread-trolling . That's all I was getting at with my post.

Thing is, I know so little about war. I've never experienced it further than what the media spews at me. I've never interviewed veterans from previous wars to gain insight. I've never taken any university courses on the subject. So, really, besides me talking out of my ass, I really don't have a leg to stand on to put forth any constructive philosophies regarding this war. I'm not sure where I stand on it, even. One side of me says 'all the power to em', the other says 'perhaps this is a bit much'. I don't know enough about politics to sway myself to either side - not do I have time or interest to gain a more defined perspective.

cheers,

 

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[I agree with this if what I was I originally responding to was anything close to what you describe. Philosophizing with constructive remarks/opinions is great, however the following I feel are not constructive, just kinda dumb:

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and that's cool but for me, any action, is better than no action. That's why I wanted to make it clear that it was a 'type or read what has been typed' situation and went away from putting values on the content. those first steps, no matter how cliched or obvious, are the most important. and something like, "the first casualty is innocence" (and what follows) can easily be a defining moment in someone elses worldview.

GE

 

Or...the first casualty of war is original conversation being replaced with trite quotes

 

see, now that is a troll. Nothing like replacing "trite" quotes with over-obvious comments. you want to talk about boring (see 'trite') or un-original how about you spice up this thread with some "izzles"?


GE

 

I think he was just offering a summary / condensed version / hey-I-get-exactly-what-you're-saying-and-I'll-show-I'm-down-with-it-with-this-little-precis sort of thing.

Jumping in with personal comments and attacks may also have been part of what llanfair was trying to head off when he made his original post.

 

Well regardless of what people think i'm all for the war. Saddam has a lot to answer for, other countries e.g France , seem to stupid to realise that.

 

Here's hoping Iraqi Oil can pick up the tab! /versus/images/graemlins/frown.gif