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Re: Get off the bandwagon...

Last weeks international edition of newsweek, check newsstands.
Failing that search on msnbc, they ussualy post articles from newsweek online.

 

Re: Get off the bandwagon...

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BTW, anybody got any numbers crunched on how much bling bling the States will gain from the exlcusivety contracts for oil extraction and refinement and reconstruction in post-war Irak ?? It'd be interesting to compare the cost and estimated cost vs. the gains. Im sure the Bush admnistration has a tentative figure...

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If you look at it in pure numbercrunching mode the war does not make sense from a financial point of view.
look a bit further tough and you will see that those who gain the most are those who push hardest for the war and the companies that finance them.
They dont care about the final costs for the US as that tab will have to be picked up by the US taxpayers, yet the gains for rebuilding Iraq and exploiting its oilfields and delivering materials will go to companies like Halliburton, Boeing half a dozen oil companies etcetera, in short companies wich have strong links with the current administration.

 

Re: Get off the bandwagon...

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No military can fuck with us. Period.

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With the way you guys are going with friendly fire, I wonder who would want to ally with the US. First the Canadians in Afghanistan, and now the British fighter plane. Way to go. Way to use those "smart" and "precise" bombs you've got. That delivery system sure is workin' now, ain't it.

 

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Be nice Llan. Saddam has finally upped his kill ratio to outnumber the amount of soldiers we have killed ourselves.

Last CNN count:
17 - Killed by friendly fire. (3 Journalist killed by Friendly Fire not counted.)
21 - Killed in Combat with Iraqi forces

What is the lesson here?
Teach these troops how to land a damn helicopter in the dark.

 

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I'm sorry, but friendly fire is a fact of war, it happens, unfortunetly, but you guys need to get a life! mocking the soldiers and the men that train them because they are not perfect! well no shit, no one is, mistakes happen especially in high stress combat situations
they may not be perfect, but they are the best trained military in the world, and my thoughts and prayers are with them and their families
I hope for their safe return

 

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Oh, the basement troll speaks?

 

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Oh please Llanny. What other country has the capabilities of us? A few ff casualties is still significantly less than any other country could manage in such an operation. Our military technology is leaps and bounds above everyone, in part because it gets such a rediculous amount of our budget (60 percent or so). Name ONE country that mess with with U.S?

 

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Other countries don't have time to mess with us. We're too busy messing with them. /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

 

Hussein just did a live speech...

Saddam Hussein just gave a live broadcast address to the people of Iraq. He claimed God told him they would win, all of Iraq should be patient, that Iraq would cause a lot of pain to their enemies, made a lot of religious references, and did a shout out to specific commanders in his military who are causing great struggles to the coalition forces. He even did a shout out to Palestine. Kinda crazy stuff, but he didn't seem as hurt or shook up as Rumsfeld keeps trying to persuade everyone to believe.

Battle of psychology I suppose.

 

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OK, so Bush says God talks to him. And now Saddam says the same thing.

...Are our governments really THAT far apart?

Psuedo-theocracy is a scary thing. I want my personal worship to have no government involvement, so help me God.

And Dean, please stop trolling.

EDIT: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030324/people_nm/oscars_politics_moore_dc_3

 

Re: Hussein just did a live speech...

Micheal Moore was funny as hell when he did that. Some boo'ed him, some clapped, and others just looked puzzled. He always has something to say about current politics when he wins an award. I happen to see it when I flipped from the Malaysian Gran Prix during a commercial.

Oh yeah, GoGo Kimi!!!!!!! Woot, my boy finally won!
Sorry about that. /versus/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

 

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Zero, with all due respect, butt-out and stop with your little quips that are not adding anything to this discussion/debate.
Goverments are different, though both Bush and Saddam are religious people, its how the apply that religion that differentiates the two.

 

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Goverments are different, though both Bush and Saddam are religious people, its how the apply that religion that differentiates the two.

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I don't know this for absolute truth, but Saddam and Bush have never been reported as religious types. Although, they do like to bring up God if they think it will win over their respective people. I remember reading that Bush never went to church of his own accord until he went into office and Saddam has a lengthy track record of not supporting the Muslim religion in which he calls upon quite a bit. Middle East nations (Non-Judeo Nations) typically do not like non-muslim people in office and the US does not vote for non-christians. Just saying.

 

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dean, I get the feeling it is you that needs to leave this discussion. I have no problem with facing a dissenting view but you seem as capable of reporting (and sticking to) the facts as CNN over the weekend.

take a look at what has been posted and what your responses have been. You have brought very little besides empty rhetoric to this discussion. Zero has a better place at the table than you do right now.

GE

 

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With all due respect she has added way more to this thread then you have.
Her comparison is a very valid one, both leaders seem to abuse/misuse religion to claim their cause is a just one while both leaders have opposition from the religious people from the religion they claim gives them the authority to do what they are doing.

Now how about actually addresing the points made by all the people inside this thread, we made a compelling case I believe to show that the reasons of the government are not just and yes it is about the oil etcetera.

Why dont you try to do the same and use arguments why the things we said or claimed hold no validity?
And please do so for real without spouting more government propaganda, something is not true becouse Bush/Powel/cheney/rumsfeld said so(as proven by the UN and several International news organisations).

 

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Goverments are different, though both Bush and Saddam are religious people, its how the apply that religion that differentiates the two.

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I don't know this for absolute truth, but Saddam and Bush have never been reported as religious types. Although, they do like to bring up God if they think it will win over their respective people. I remember reading that Bush never went to church of his own accord until he went into office and Saddam has a lengthy track record of not supporting the Muslim religion in which he calls upon quite a bit. Middle East nations (Non-Judeo Nations) typically do not like non-muslim people in office and the US does not vote for non-christians. Just saying.

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Bush is a born again Baptist apparently and the last few years has become verry fundamental in his believes.
Check his latest addres to the nation for instance, every third word coming out of his mouth seemed to be faith based.
Faith based releif, faith based anti drugs programs, faith based homeles shelters, faith based foreign aid institutions etcetera.

 

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replicant said:

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Goverments are different, though both Bush and Saddam are religious people, its how the apply that religion that differentiates the two.

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I don't know this for absolute truth, but Saddam and Bush have never been reported as religious types. Although, they do like to bring up God if they think it will win over their respective people. I remember reading that Bush never went to church of his own accord until he went into office and Saddam has a lengthy track record of not supporting the Muslim religion in which he calls upon quite a bit. Middle East nations (Non-Judeo Nations) typically do not like non-muslim people in office and the US does not vote for non-christians. Just saying.

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Bush is a born again Baptist apparently and the last few years has become verry fundamental in his believes.
Check his latest addres to the nation for instance, every third word coming out of his mouth seemed to be faith based.
Faith based releif, faith based anti drugs programs, faith based homeles shelters, faith based foreign aid institutions etcetera.

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I have to agree with fishie on this issue and it's scary how religious is he in his public speech compare to pass presidents. Even Bush senior was more reserve on his expression of what he thought about the issue at hand without just a heavy tone on religion. It's really messed up that he's doing a lot of things out of being righteous and a superior complex with everyone else that's different from him and his believes.

 

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>> butt-out and stop with your little quips that are not adding anything to this discussion/debate.

such as "the basement troll speaks?" and 99% of your posts in this thread?

 

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You really want to get into a pissing contest? I'm all for it here, you don't have your ban button to save you.

 

in other news

interesting little air time on the problems with the media. Tomorrow I should have a reaaaally good debate between two radio 'personalities' with very dissenting views about this war. Both are strongly passionate, articulate and knowledgeable. It should be a good pallate cleanse.

media reporting

GE