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It jsut keeps getting better

Discussion in 'Junky's Jungle' started by Llanfair, Feb 23, 2001.

  1. GodEater

    GodEater Well-Known Member

    Re: excitement in mind

    Ok, what the fuck am I, your pet?

    ...nooooo



    And now I'm excited about it. I'm excited about the gameplay, the new tournaments (if they happen), the new discussions of strategies, the new VF. I don't *care* about the game either - I'm just excited. My feelings tell me that you're excited too.

    And not to be too picky but what I said wasn't a
    reiteration of your earlier post. I'm not excited at all.
    Watching the movies are like watching a H&R Block
    commercial. It holds no value for me. I visit this
    board and I see posts about the new game so I tend to
    read about it. That, is my interest level.
    A little better than zero.

    GE
     
  2. SummAh

    SummAh Well-Known Member

    Re: excitement in mind

    For the love of god, I do not understand why ppl are saying it reminds them of TTT or it looks like TTT.

    Where are the similarities?

    Hmmm, I wonder when T4 comes out, will ppl say 'hey, looks like VF4?

    <font color=red>SummErs' 'mibu's lone wolf'
     
  3. Gnug315

    Gnug315 Well-Known Member

    Re: excitement in mind

    If you're so disinterested in VF4, why are you so interested in making sure we know just how disinterested you really are? /images/icons/tongue.gif

    - Jan
     
  4. GodEater

    GodEater Well-Known Member

    out of mind on the page; a crime!

    If you're so disinterested in VF4, why are you so interested in making sure we know just how disinterested you really are?

    I honestly expected this one to come out long before now.
    Well, Jan, check out the course of the conversation and
    you'll discover a fairly honest progression.

    I really began by making just a idle comment, I really
    didn't expect to have this go anywhere. Everyone and
    their mother was expressing their opinion, I thought
    mine was no less valid than theirs and decided to air
    it. At the same time I actually put out a little bit
    of information that might lead somewhere and wasn't
    based on vacuous speculation.

    Then Llanfair responded. He ends his response with
    a quesion. He never mentions that its rhetorical so
    I answer his question. From here the thread grows
    as a simple back and forth between myself and Llanfair.
    He says the gist of my post seems like I'm saying the
    game dissapoints, I don't think that so I attempt to
    clarify; He says he thinks I'm excited about VF4, I
    couldn't be less excited and dislike being
    mis-represented (especially since in this case it would
    mean that I lied in my earlier posts) so I post again.
    I say something fairly innocuous and Llanfair uses
    profanity so I answer that (although clumsily) and
    I again address a mis-interpretation in my post
    (that I was reiterating his post...reiterate means
    to say or do something repeatedly).

    And that brings us to you and your statement.
    The truth is Jan, I honestly meant nothing more
    at the beginning than to share my opinion.
    Something everyone was doing here. My opinion
    happens to be counter to prevailing wisdom so
    it caused a bit of motion between myself and
    Llanfair.

    The only thing I could have done in this
    situation that would have forestalled this
    particular exhcange would have been to say,
    "yes, yes...you've dragged it out of me. I
    love the demo and thus VF4." Which
    is just not true. I have no particular
    interest in showing my distinterest to you
    or anyone but I have a keen interest in
    being understood.

    GE
    -care for a snack?
     
  5. Llanfair

    Llanfair Well-Known Member

    out of *character* on the page

    <blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>

    I say something fairly innocuous and Llanfair uses
    profanity

    <hr></blockquote>

    Innocuous? Are you kidding? (rhetorical) Go back and read that sentence - 'little Llany' - could you be ANY MORE CONDESCENDING!? (rhetorical, to be clear).

    Look, I could really could care less about what you think about the game, I just thought your statement was weird. If you don't care about the game, then you won't be at funland playing it when it comes out. C'mon, if you have a zero interest level in the game, why would you make the effort to go to Funland??
    '...out of curiosity' you said - well the last time I checked 'curiosity' and 'interest' are closely related cousins.

    <blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>

    Everyone and
    their mother was expressing their opinion, I thought
    mine was no less valid than theirs and decided to air
    it.

    <hr></blockquote>

    This is what I'm having trouble with! How can you have an opinion about something you don't have any interest in?! Why have an opinion at all - be it positive or negative? To me this makes no sense.

    GE - I found it really hard to be believe that you don't have interest in or care for VF4. That's all. Someone who has spent so much time and energy into every other version in the series from it's inception - all then all of a sudden - nothing. A zero interest level. I just thing it's very weird.

    cheers,



    <font color=white> Llanfair the prized <font color=green>cabbage</font color=green></font color=white>
     
  6. Gnug315

    Gnug315 Well-Known Member

    Re: out of mind on the page; a crime!

    I wasn't being serious man /images/icons/wink.gif
     
  7. GodEater

    GodEater Well-Known Member

    Re: out of *character* ?

    Innocuous? Are you kidding? (rhetorical) Go back and read that sentence - 'little Llany' - could you be ANY MORE CONDESCENDING!? (rhetorical, to be clear).

    yes I know you said it was rhetorical but I thought I'd
    answer anyway. I honestly didn't mean anything by the
    comment. It was obviously (in retrospect) ill-chosen
    by myself but I really just thought I was being less
    than serious...You may not remember but I've called
    you by that before in person. Its kinda like the
    'lil archie comics. I just thought it was cute.
    So sorry.


    Look, I could really could care less about what you think about the game, I just thought your statement was weird. If you don't care about the game, then you won't be at funland playing it when it comes out. C'mon, if you have a zero interest level in the game, why would you make the effort to go to Funland??

    curiousity and interest do share similar definitions but that
    doesn't make them so intertwined to make them inseparable. VF
    used to play a big part in my life why can't I be curious about
    how the game is doing and who is playing without being interested
    in playing it? Besides, Shroud will undoubtably play VF4 as he
    is excited about it. I hang out with Shroud and Funland
    has always been our usual hangout or gathering place when I
    come downtown.

    This is what I'm having trouble with! How can you have an opinion about something you don't have any interest in?! Why have an opinion at all - be it positive or negative? To me this makes no sense.

    do you have an interest in snuff films? about pedophillia? No?
    Are you unable to form a judgement on it because you don't care
    for either? Remember that my initial post said simply that I
    "don't really care about it". Care: to have a liking or
    attachment. I don't have an attachment for VF4. How much
    simpler does it get than this?

    GE - I found it really hard to be believe that you don't have interest in or care for VF4. That's all. Someone who has spent so much time and energy into every other version in the series from it's inception - all then all of a sudden - nothing. A zero interest level. I just thing it's very weird.

    you know I tried to difuse this whole thing by saying that
    maybe I was just jaded. I have been playing since inception,
    haven't I? And the VF2 days were long and filled fair to
    bursting. VF3 came out and I played but had less interest
    in it than in VF2. Now that VF4 is on the way out I find
    myself with a better than zero interest in it. this
    is not out of character as you might suppose. Some people
    know that this is right in "character".

    GE
    -the real slim shady
     
  8. Llanfair

    Llanfair Well-Known Member

    Re: out of *character* ?

    <blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>

    do you have an interest in snuff films? about pedophillia? No?
    Are you unable to form a judgement on it because you don't care
    for either?

    <hr></blockquote>

    I think this is an extremely poor analogy. These are issues that have a moral (and lawful) context in society. We're talking about a game here, not something illegal.

    Okie doke - let's diffuse this then. Perhaps you're jaded. I'll take that.

    10-4.

    <font color=white> Llanfair the prized <font color=green>cabbage</font color=green></font color=white>
     
  9. GodEater

    GodEater Well-Known Member

    Re: out of *character* ?

    right. A game. And yet you seemed to take it
    personally, taking me to task repeatedly for
    a fucking opinion that other people have emailed
    or ICQ'd me wondering why a fuss is being made.

    so interest and opinions are only valid if the
    issue is of legal import? Interesting criteria.
    My hat's off to you.

    10-4.

    you left out 'good buddy' but I guess that was
    expected.

    GE
     
  10. Llanfair

    Llanfair Well-Known Member

    Re: out of *character* ?

    Achh - guess I'm going to blow the 10-4 thing...

    <blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>

    so interest and opinions are only valid if the
    issue is of legal import? Interesting criteria.

    <hr></blockquote>

    Whatever. Did I say that? um...lemme check...lemme check again...no. Must you twist it so I look like the demented one? I merely stated that I thought your analogy was pretty poor. And it was. You made an analogy using examples that are so much more complicated. Y'know, it wouldn't be a bad thing to admit that your analogy was poor.

    As far as taking you to town on an opinion? C'mon! WTF was the point of your original disclaimer about not caring for the game!? It attracted attention. It was out-of-the-norm. It was, imo, out of character for you. I would have thought that you'd be more excited. Period.

    Now - you've got people emailing you about this thread? ICQing you specifically to discuss the fuss so far?! Specifically or en passant? And how many may I ask? 1 or 2? Enlighten me as to relevance of this statement in your post.

    cheers,



    <font color=white> Llanfair the prized <font color=green>cabbage</font color=green></font color=white>
     
  11. nascarbryant

    nascarbryant Well-Known Member

    two german guys who were there have said:
    "The 2 mpgs from Dailyradar were/are quite nice, but the real time footage there,'RULEZ LIKE HELL!!!!!!!!'. Has nothing to do with PS2 adapted graphics(like some people said, judging from the pictures). It's almost like talking about a Vf1 port for the mega drive(not 32X). If you want to play a fighting game in the reach of PS2, then you had/have to play bloady roar3, who was disapointing(graphics)"

    P.S 4MB VRAM v.s 33 MB VRAM
    nothing v.s T&L Co-processor
    1 emotion engine v.s 2x PowerVR2
    ........when will people start realizie that the GREAT PS2 is just an avarage console(even Metal Gear visuals, everything is gray, and there are so few textures it's all only poligonpower with 60 frames thats all......)
     
  12. GodEater

    GodEater Well-Known Member

    Re: out of *character* ?

    Whatever. Did I say that? um...lemme check...lemme check again...no. Must you twist it so I look like the demented one? I merely stated that I thought your analogy was pretty poor. And it was. You made an analogy using examples that are so much more complicated. Y'know, it wouldn't be a bad thing to admit that your analogy was poor.

    I actually don't think it is poor and I had no interest
    (there's that word again) in making you appear demented.
    I don't think that would have been infered anyway. What
    I did want was to illustrate something. If the analogy
    is much more complex than the real issue, why haven't I
    received an answer. The real issue should be much simpler
    (by comparison) and therefore easier to pin a yes or no
    to. Aren't I allowed to have an opinion on something I've
    admitted to not caring for? Isn't not caring for something
    an opinion in the first place? I think it is.

    As far as taking you to town on an opinion? C'mon! WTF was the point of your original disclaimer about not caring for the game!?

    why do I need a point? Why can't I just say what I feel?
    No one else here has been given a run on what they believe.
    Is that simply because they agree with the mob?

    And why do I keep hearing that it is out of character? I
    might be wrong but I think that I am the authority on
    what is "my character". If I'm not then maybe you'd better
    loan me whatever book you're referencing so I don't make
    any other ontological faux pas or sudden plot derivations.

    I've only received 4 messages. One through email and the
    other three through ICQ. The relevance is that I found out
    I'm not alone in thinking you're making this into a bigger
    deal than it was meant to be. I had no ulterior motives
    in saying what I said I just said it. Most people didn't
    get in my face about it.

    GE
    -what pipes and trimbles
     
  13. Llanfair

    Llanfair Well-Known Member

    Re: out of *character* ?

    ugh - I just can't discuss/argue/debate things with you. It's so freakin symantical with you. An example being the 'curious'/'interest' thing. To YOU there different enough to support *your* argument. Can you not concede at all? Even Websters Thesaurus lists them as synonyms! Oh, and by the way, the thesaurus' next synonym for 'curiosity' is 'concern'. Whoa.

    Sometimes, I really do believe that you do things for the attention getting prospect of it all. Regardless of where you stand on an issue, if there's a whacked perspective - I think you truly sometimes take it for the attention. Sorry, but that's my impression. I wasn't convinced by your 'I don't care much' statement and I tried to call you on it. Damn - I guess I didn't do a good job since your argument is well constructed and I just don't have the energy to delve any deeper. In a nutshell - when you say that you care not for game - I don't believe you. We can agree to disagree, however.


    cheers.

    <font color=white> Llanfair the prized <font color=green>cabbage</font color=green></font color=white>
     
  14. GodEater

    GodEater Well-Known Member

    out of...

    semantics is related to meaning. If you truly want
    a debate to be more than just waiting for your turn
    to speak than you can't really divide the two.

    Sometimes, I really do believe that you do things for the attention getting prospect of it all. Regardless of where you stand on an issue, if there's a whacked perspective - I think you truly sometimes take it for the attention. Sorry, but that's my impression

    Don't be sorry. I'd be truly interested in what other issues
    I believe in that seem like attention getters. I think you
    take things far too personally. Shroud and I have had this
    conversation before (about VF4), This is not a new subject
    for me. This is the first time I mentioned it in
    a public forum but my view on this has a pre-history to
    it. You can check with Shroud if you disbelieve.

    We can agree to disagree on the point of your analogy being poor. ok?

    sure. I notice you still won't answer the question though.

    I'm still in awe of the 'messages' you received about this thread. I really find it hard to believe that 4 different people actually wrote *specifically* asking about this thread. Really I do. And if I'm wrong. Fine. Lemme know how many more people email you concerning my behaviour.

    Who said specifically? I never did. through the course
    of conversation the topic of this thread came up, either
    on their end or my own. In some cases I wanted an
    outside perspective and in others they wanted to know
    what the deal was. You are wrong but since it seems
    you already think I'm lying there's little more to say.

    Goodbye Owen

    GE
    -what mad pursuit
     
  15. Llanfair

    Llanfair Well-Known Member

    Re: out of...

    <blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>

    sure. I notice you still won't answer the question though.


    <hr></blockquote>

    I must've missed something - what question?

    <blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>

    Who said specifically?

    <hr></blockquote>

    I asked originally with the word *specifically*. You responded without stating that explicitally - my bad for assuming?

    ahh - the love of the Toronto VF scene.



    <font color=white> Llanfair the prized <font color=green>cabbage</font color=green></font color=white>
     

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