Jeff's b+P+G throw properties?

This throw isn't as worthless as it seems when you're near the edge of a stage, but it's hard to determine which way he's going to throw your opponent.

I actually tested this (in version C) facing the opponent with the wall to my right (their left) in open and closed stance. For both open and closed stances, in some cases he threw them towards the wall, in other cases he actually threw them away from the wall. I tried with the wall on my left (their right) with the same circumstances only to have the same results.

There must be some way to control which direction you throw your opponent, otherwise this throw is degraded even more to a "chance-for-damage" throw, which renders it pretty much useless. Does anybody know how to control whether Jeff throws them left or right? Or is my game tripping and the whole matter does depend on open/closed stances?

 

it always used to be that he threw his opponent in the direction of his lead leg. I don't suppose it is any different now but...

GE

 

I've figured it out, at least for version C.

Jeff throws his opponent towards the direction of their back leg. So if their left leg is back, Jeff will throw to his right. If their right leg is back, Jeff will throw to his left.

I must have been goofing off or something to not notice that. Either that, or them hitting the wall must make them switch stances and I didn't pay attention to that. Oh well, at least now I know /versus/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

 

Just to be clear, I think it's still dependent on jeffry's leg position, not the opponent's.

All throws work so that the opponent's stance is automatically corrected to suit yours when you throw - i.e. if you see lei fei's chest at the start of df+P+G, you will continue to see his chest as he bashes his forearm across the opponent's face. If you see his back, you will continue to see his back during the forearm bash. The game designers didn't want to make different throw animations for open and closed stance, so what happens when lei fei is throwing his opponent is that lei's stance stays the same... and the throw victim's legs will either A: stay the same if they're in closed stance or B: teleport to closed stance position if they're in open stance. Then as the animation progresses their legs open up and lei fei bashes their face and it looks pretty natural. It'd look weird if Lei fei were sort of facing the screen and then teleported to face away for the throw animation.

With jeffry, I think he's always throwing more in the direction his chest is facing... if you see his chest, that means into the screen/towards you. If you're seeing his back, that means out of the screen/away from you.

 

I'm not trying to be difficult or anything, but when I test it out it really is the opposite. When I test it out, Jeff always throws towards the opponent's chest (or whichever leg is back), regardless of Jeff's feet position.

Maybe it changed for Evo...I don't know. Please test it out. Because all I know is that this is how it works for my copy of VF4 verison C.

 

oops. I shoulda tested it. A lot of throws are based on your foot position and a lot on the opponent's apparently. My bad.

 

No problem. That's what forums are for anyway; to learn more about the game /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif

While you guys are at it, could you inform me on whether or not some moves are in Evo?

Is his +,, uppercutt combo still there? Also, I haven't seen his ++ used in any videos. I'm asking this because I noticed (the one time I played Evo /versus/images/graemlins/frown.gif ) that Jeff's original ,, and his ,,+ kenka hook combo are gone, yet they show up on his movelist here at vfdc.

At least his kenka hook is still there. I love that move /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

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I swear I'll get around to updating the VFDC command lists one day

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yes, please. /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif

seeing as the PS2 version is out, it the damage pts atleast on all EVO moves are accessable now, right?do you already have the rest of the info?

 

This is nitpickings but his properties have changed. In ver. C you could do that move at any time and now it's specifically a down attack, (you can only do it while your opponent is down.)