John Kerry's Acceptence Speech for the U.S. Presidency

O'Liely

OMG that is such a perfect example of fox news at work (O'Reilly that is) Is there any way to save a Quicktime movie to your harddrive?

 

Re: O'Liely

just right-click on the link in Sgt.ramrod's post and choose "save-as.." /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

O'Liely, Ann, and Bush

O'Reilly is not an ultra conservative. he believes in conservative values, is a populist, and really doesn't have a fiscal opinion conservative or otherwise, except he doesn't like taxes(who does). He doesn't bully, he just doesn't let people make speechs, he doesn't let his show devolve into a shouting match, and he doesn't let people dodge questions. "No Spin Zone" remember. He's very opinionated and he has a huge ego. His books are basically his life story and an explaination of his political philosophy (yak...yak...no one cares O'Reilly). But his show is entertaining and that's why he gets such good ratings.

Shadowdean, I didn't really understand you. Were you trying to say that the U.S. should try to ease tensions with Cuba the way we did with China? that won't happen as long as there is a large population of Cuban exiles in Florida (swing state) who want Castro gone and Cuba democratic.

Sadly some people do buy Ann Coulters books because they feel a need to hate liberals, the same way people go see Farenheit 9/11 because they want continue to hate Bush.

I don't know if you actually saw that speech Panty_J, but I did (I like to watch CSPAN, look at my profile), and George Bush took questions just like any European Prime minister would and answered in long thoughtful responses. People have this idea that you're an idiot if you studder or don't speach perfectly. I think the reason is we had 8 years of Clinton who was an amazingly good speaker and could talk his way out of anything (or thought he could).

 

Re: O'Liely, Ann, and Bush

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O'Reilly is not an ultra conservative. he believes in conservative values, is a populist, and really doesn't have a fiscal opinion conservative or otherwise, except he doesn't like taxes(who does).

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You were doing ok until...

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He doesn't bully, he just doesn't let people make speechs, he doesn't let his show devolve into a shouting match, and he doesn't let people dodge questions. "No Spin Zone" remember.

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Did you see the clip.... do you watch his show at all? How can you defend his obviously shady way of going about 'debates'

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But his show is entertaining and that's why he gets such good ratings.

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Because its so funny to watch him SHOUT DOWN his guest when he doesnt agree with them.

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... Florida (swing state) ...

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hehehehehhehehe

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Sadly some people do buy Ann Coulters books because they feel a need to hate liberals, the same way people go see Farenheit 9/11 because they want continue to hate Bush.

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Its just sooooooo easy to hate crazy bitches like Coulter, and War Machines like Bush.

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People have this idea that you're an idiot if you studder or don't speach perfectly.

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lol the grammer mistake puts a special touch to that sentance. Yeah, people do tend to be critical, especially if your the president of the United States. Maybe we should just lay off of him and let him embarras this country a lil more.

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I think the reason is we had 8 years of Clinton who was an amazingly good speaker-

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I'll just stop you right there. Yep thats about right. I feel the need to say more but typing the quote things over and over again has made my fingers tired. Well I used copy / paste but you prove all my arguments for me! This is too easy!

 

Sovereignity, Bloviation, and cats

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I don't know if you actually saw that speech Panty_J, but I did (I like to watch CSPAN, look at my profile), and George Bush took questions just like any European Prime minister would and answered in long thoughtful responses. People have this idea that you're an idiot if you studder or don't speach perfectly. I think the reason is we had 8 years of Clinton who was an amazingly good speaker and could talk his way out of anything (or thought he could).

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Here's my thoughts on that clip. The guy asked a question and Bush didn't know the answer. I'm basically OK with that part. What I wish would have happened next is this... Bush: "I don't have an answer for you right now. Your question requires some thought." I don't think he was stuttering. I don't think he was even bloviating. The only big word he was using was "sovereignity." Put the word "cat" in place of "sovereignity" and see what I mean. It might have been better(?) if he had said "My response is fortified by the intent to obfuscate so as to defer your musings directed toward my lacking knowledge related to this conundrum to a later date."

I think comparing Bush's response to those of European Prime Ministers and making a Clinton reference is an attempt to avoid discussing the content of the clip. You don't HAVE to defend Bush. I won't think any less of you if you don't stand up for him at every opportunity. In this instance, Bush did not answer the guy's question. I think he knew what sovereignity meant, but he didn't have an instant answer and the ability to compare and contrast American Indian sovereignity with American Federal Government on the spot. I find the question difficult and I don't have an instant answer myself. I bet there are some people out there that would be able to field that question and provide an immediate, intelligent, example-filled answer. I think they might be better suited to the presidency.

 

Re: Sovereignity, Bloviation, and cats

As plague said, it would have helped him immensely that, instead of repeating the same word over and over and over, he should have just deferred answering the question until a later time. By repeating sovereignty over and over, he just looks like he is feebly trying to cover up for the fact that he doesn't have a clue how to answer it. I'm not even sure if he really understands sovereignty.

 

Re: Sovereignity, Bloviation, and cats

O'Reilly is most definitely a bully. How else to explain his fondness for telling everybody to "shut up" or his tendency to cut guests' microphones? Is he a bullying liar or a lying bully? I report, you decide.

The clip I linked to earlier is a good example of O'Reilly dissembling to make his case. His opponent in the debate was Paul Krugman, a man who truly outclasses O'Reilly. Here are Krugman's credentials (as described in his NY Times bio):

"Paul Krugman joined The New York Times in 1999 as a columnist on the Op-Ed Page and continues as professor of Economics and International Affairs at Princeton University.

Mr. Krugman received his B.A. from Yale University in 1974 and his Ph.D. from MIT in 1977. He has taught at Yale, MIT and Stanford. At MIT he became the Ford International Professor of Economics.

Mr. Krugman is the author or editor of 20 books and more than 200 papers in professional journals and edited volumes."

And yet there's O'Reilly's dumb ass, trying to lecture him on economics. Pitiful. Rolling Stone did a Story on O'Lie-ly. Check it out if you are interested.

As for Bush, I'm sorry, but the man is nowhere near smart enough to deserve to be President. Say what you will about Kerry, but at least he is a smart man. The world is a very, very complicated place. Why would we want a dumbass in charge?

Americans are very anti-intellectual. They don't mind that the President is no smarter than them. People like to think that they know that "what's right is right" and goddamn them fancy talking intellectuals. Bush's faux provinciality actually helps him seem down to Earth to people, despite the fact that the man has led a life privilege beyond what they could ever hope for. The only reason he seems down to Earth to people is because none of his high-priced, Harvard and Yale education stuck. His brain would appear to be coated with Teflon.

His handlers and spin-doctors know his limitations. This is why they rarely schedule press conferences and they try as much as possible to keep unscripted moments to minimum. They usually do a good job maintaining the illusion that Dubya knows his ass from Timbuktoo. Sometimes, however, people and situations do not stick to the script and the illusion is shattered! Remember My Pet Goat?

Mr. President, why do you need Uncle Dick to hold your hand while you testify?

Please notice that Dubya completely dodges the question, not once, but twice.

Any Regrets...

...Mr. President?


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Farrel as Dubya Bush

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Re: O'Liely, Ann, and Bush

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He doesn't bully, he just doesn't let people make speechs, he doesn't let his show devolve into a shouting match, and he doesn't let people dodge questions. "No Spin Zone" remember.

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Did you see the clip.... do you watch his show at all? How can you defend his obviously shady way of going about 'debates'

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But his show is entertaining and that's why he gets such good ratings.

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Because its so funny to watch him SHOUT DOWN his guest when he doesnt agree with them.



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Don't know if you noticed this Vith_Dos, but that clip wasn't from his show. It was an interveiw with O'Reilly and Paul Krugan from the Times moderated by Tim Russer on CNBC. I have never once, in all my time watching his show, seen him shout at his opponent. The reason is because he doesn't have to. If he ever has a filibuster on his show he'll simply cut the mike ( he's only done this twice in the last two years) I see him every night at 10:00 along with Chris Mathews so I know what I'm talking about.

 

Re: O'Liely, Ann, and Bush

IamthePope i hate to side against you (you seem pretty outnumbered here) but i thought i'd make a little point.

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People have this idea that you're an idiot if you studder or don't speach perfectly.

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that may be true about people's perceptions. However you have to bear two things in mind.
First, he is your representative to everyone else on this planet. if he is a mumbling incompetent, this doesn't reflect well upon your nation.
Secondly, he is the head of the most powerful nation on earth. therefore it is imperative not only for yourselves but for the safety of the population of the earth that he is a capable, literate man.

seriously, if he gets in for a second term there will be protests in pretty much every western nation. haha!

 

Re: Sovereignity, Bloviation, and cats

That particular question that he answered was dodged because George Bush is not a specialist on the subject of Indian-American Affairs. That question was kind of open and the journalist was expecting the President to write a book about the subject. He didn't know exactly how to answer it but he did as best he could. Now the other three questionaires asked questions that he gave much longer responses to. I think the guy fron Jim Lerhers News Hour asked a question about the state of the U.S.-Mexico boarder and he gave a particularly long winded response because after being Governor of Texas and now president for four years, he is an expert on that subject. Those and the other question were what I was refering to when I said he answered questions like a European Prime Minister.

The reason I defend George Bush is because I like him and no one else here will defend him. The people here seem content to have long discussions about how terrible the President is and how screwed we are for having him. Just look any of the posts by Sgt. Ramrod or Vith_Dos in the first 15 pages of that obnoxiously long thread about Farenheit 9/11 to get an idea of the vitriolic language used against Bush. You would think he was the anti-christ from what you hear on that thread about him. No president deserves to be treated like that.

 

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I have never once, in all my time watching his show, seen him shout at his opponent. The reason is because he doesn't have to. If he ever has a filibuster on his show he'll simply cut the mike ( he's only done this twice in the last two years) I see him every night at 10:00 along with Chris Mathews so I know what I'm talking about.

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If I felt like doing the research I would, but I don't. So I'm gonna do the O'Rielly thing and just call you a liar. I know that wasnt his show but his actions do not differ on what show he is on. I wouldn't lable his as crazy a bitch as Coulter but the guy is a lieing bully (not to mention a tool), with very little (if any) admirable qualities. As seen in one of sgt. Ramrod's clips there is very little balance or "no spinning" on the network.

I really don't see how you can seriously defend the pres or the actions of the right in the last 4 years. I can understand if your doing it for kicks but, you're fighting for an OBVIOUSLY EVIL administration that is making many things a lot worse for a lot of people, rather than making things better.

 

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He doesn't bully, he just doesn't let people make speechs, he doesn't let his show devolve into a shouting match, and he doesn't let people dodge questions. "No Spin Zone" remember.

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Did you see the clip.... do you watch his show at all? How can you defend his obviously shady way of going about 'debates'

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But his show is entertaining and that's why he gets such good ratings.

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Because its so funny to watch him SHOUT DOWN his guest when he doesnt agree with them.



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Don't know if you noticed this Vith_Dos, but that clip wasn't from his show. It was an interveiw with O'Reilly and Paul Krugan from the Times moderated by Tim Russer on CNBC. I have never once, in all my time watching his show, seen him shout at his opponent. The reason is because he doesn't have to. If he ever has a filibuster on his show he'll simply cut the mike ( he's only done this twice in the last two years) I see him every night at 10:00 along with Chris Mathews so I know what I'm talking about.

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IC so the Glick segment never happened then?

 

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you're fighting for an OBVIOUSLY EVIL administration

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Things are only evil if they are in the Axis of Evil, just kidding.