Judo Vs Aikido

This is for those of you who have extensive martial arts knowledge; I have considered these two martial arts but I am stuck as to which one to go for. I basically want to learn one of these two because I want to add a good graple type martial art to my knowledge. The goal of this is to learn to incapacitate my opponent, but without doing too much damage to them. I already know about the more damaging forms such as JJ and Muay Thai, but I want something that will help me take down, say a drunk or some guy who is high on himself. I researched a bit, but I would still like to hear from people who have some experience from this.

 

Wrestling. But between Aikido and Judo judo most definatly. Judo is also easier to combine with your background while you have to approach Aikido with a different mindset / stance / whatnot.

 

Brazilian Jiu Jitsu gives you plenty of ways to control someone without having to break/choke them. Judo emphases pins a bit more which are the ultimate "non aggressive" form of control. Wrestling gives you pins, but does not teach you to hold them for a long time, but gives you takedowns that are a lot more usefull/applicable.

 

I think what's more important is which teachers are available to you. If you have an amazing Aikido teacher and an average Judo teacher in your area then the choice is clear. And vice versa, obviously.

I learned more about how to lock and throw from my Tae Kwon Do master in two and a half years then my friend did in his six months of training under a 3rd dan Judo instructor. I know the time difference is out of whack, but TKD is supposed to be all kicks, right?

I think most martial arts share many similar principles, and there are only so many ways the body can be manipulated, and even under one brand of martial arts (such as Shotokan Karate, for example) there can be wild differences from master to master, so making a choice solely on the type of system is not always the best option.

I would advise visiting several schools and seeing which has students fighting in the way you want to fight. The top students are a much better indicator of how good the teacher is than the teacher's skill level, I think, though both are obviously important.

 

There is no aikido that is good aikido. This is simply because aikido has zero alive training, zero..

 

wow! thats a bold statement, vanity. Care to elaborate?

 

Aikido is unappliable, it does not work against a resisting opponent. There is no evidence that it does.

 

That's funny, cause the main principle behind aikido is to use the force of a resisting opponent against him/herself.

 

To say there's no evidence would be following the logic that you and/or others have actually searched for and found none....anywhere.
To the original poster from what I know experienced take judo, it's practical in real life too.

 

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Srider said:

That's funny, cause the main principle behind aikido is to use the force of a resisting opponent against him/herself.

[/ QUOTE ] The main principle of every martial art is to overcome your opponent.

Sadly, those principles in aikido are unappliable. Standing wrist locks do not work against resisting opponents, that is a fact.

 

Ok, easy. Any system can be made to work in the right hands. Or it wouldn't be a system. If you genuinely don't believe in a system then go challenge the high ranking guys. Otherwise, it's not really fair to dis them.

Personally, I have a massive degree of respect to anyone who follows the path. That is much more important than any kind of "results".

 

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Electric said:

Ok, easy. Any system can be made to work in the right hands.

[/ QUOTE ] This is the greatest fallacy in all of martial arts. It doesn't matter how many times you practice catching a punch or applying a standing wrist lock, YOU WILL NEVER DO IT AGAINST A RESISTING OPPONENT.

This whole notion of "system" is bullshit. The only thing that we can group about aikido is that none of it works.

 

Thanks for the input guys.

Kiwe: I do actually have a wrestling background since I did wrestle in high school so that's why I was leaning more towards judo. I donl't know if that helps in judo but I guess it dosen't hurt to have the knowledge.

Electric: You said that you learned graples in TKD? Tha'ts interesting because I went to a TKD dojo and I didn't really see much of grapling.

Right now I know of only one place that teaches judo. The dojo that I go to is more on the intense side where they teach JJ, Kenpo, and Karate. I will continue to search, but so far I have only found one judo dojo and no aikido. Everyone else thank you for your input.

 

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vanity said:

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Electric said:

Ok, easy. Any system can be made to work in the right hands.

[/ QUOTE ] This is the greatest fallacy in all of martial arts. It doesn't matter how many times you practice catching a punch or applying a standing wrist lock, YOU WILL NEVER DO IT AGAINST A RESISTING OPPONENT.

This whole notion of "system" is bullshit. The only thing that we can group about aikido is that none of it works.

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YOU WILL NEVER DO IT AGAINST A RESISTING OPPONENT.
That right there is the most important thing you will ever read if you want to learn how to fight. Its all theory until the guy doesn't flip himself over. Period. There is no argument against that. The guy on the street is not just gunna comply cause you ask him nicely and your wearing a huge black skirt.

 

Isn't Yoshinkan Aikido unlike the other Aikido styles completely based around real life application though?

 

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Shoju said:

Isn't Yoshinkan Aikido unlike the other Aikido styles completely based around real life application though?

[/ QUOTE ] I have never seen this, please point the way.

Also, remember that there is no martial art style that doesn't claim to be effective and practical, so the claim itself is really not enough.

And for good measure, a pic i found on a "yoshinkan aikido website"



what is with this standing wristlock nonsense?

actually, let me rephrase. if your martial art trains standing wrist locks, it is bullshit.

 

Your picture link doesn't work for me.

GE

 

Grappling techniques in TKD are uncommon, but they do exist. Take Kwon Do is the unification of several different korean martial art systems post world war 2. Yu Sul, which was created around the same time as Tae Kyun, focused more on grappling rather than kicking. It is also believed that Jujutsu is based on Yu Sul.

 

yeah something messed up, but the picture just showed some guy holding on to someone's wrist, and the guy falling on his knee.

 

But does anybody remember that video of the chimp grabbing that guy's finger and yank yank yanking him into the water?

Of course, any martial art that trains the "pull my finger" technique is bullshit.