Judo Vs Aikido

What about Vanity?

Stop this madness.

Vanity = expert fighter.

 

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except for the fact that his rear mount was really shitty.

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Plague said:

Stop this madness.

Vanity = expert fighter.

[/ QUOTE ] Meh, things have changed since then...

like my outlook on what happened, i shot in, he closed his guard, that was it lmao. I just had no intention of striking from inside the guard, but any other rational person who was in my situation would have been throwing bombs.

(although, this response could also be influenced by the fact that last time i talked about it at work, this guy was calling him "one of the ugly twins", and that he was a "huge fag".

 

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Plague said:

Stop this madness.

Vanity = expert fighter.

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This is leading me to believe that arguing on the internet isnt worth the time... This i refuse to believe

 

Re: What about ninjas?

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vanity said:

lol? If I am full mounted on them, how are they going to grab my nuts before I bust in their face?

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Oh yeah, I forgot, the rules say no balls grabbing. Since you weren't going into this with the intention of hurting yourself.

 

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The thread isn't beyond salvation. This is a fighting game board. There must be some good fight stories out there, huh? Maybe not. But the following more or less happened.

The last time I threw a punch with bad intentions I was nineteen. I've been in plenty of situations since then where throwing a punch was perhaps even the most desireable option but each time I've found a good way out. Punches hurt people. They hurt your hand. I've got plenty of foot speed. Three very good reasons not to throw a punch, no matter how fucking cool it feels to crack a jaw. It was a right. Cross. In the comic books it's the one arm screaming through the blur of the page into a fist too large and a suddenly broken profile lifted slightly up and slightly back. POW! if they use a word. It was actually the final in a three punch combo. Right into the rearview, left across the passenger side, POW! onto the ground in front of the truck. I know you aren't supposed to lead with your power hand but such considerations weren't necessary at the time. Height, reach, weight, handspeed, conditioning, outfit, supporters in the crowd...I outgunned Ralph in all categories. That I remember his name really has more to do with this story than the tale of the tape, so I'll start at the beginning.

I was back home in Lafayette on of the few times after I came to LSU. I had a steady girlfriend in Baton Rouge who only a few months later would make a baby with me so both before this time and after this time, making escursions to hang out with my buds was either less than a priority or simply impossible. That weekend though, I was free. Skateboarding all day, drinking all night then skateboarding some more...checking out the girls who for some reason I was content to just check out. One of them, this hippie girl Beth, was constantly begging for action. She looked so good too. Short. Blonde hair, blue eyes. Equally large tits and ass. Blonde eyebrows so you gotta figure. Always in sundresses. Standing in front of the sun. Braless and pantiless. The braless was perpetually obvious and the pantiless you'd catch. There in the sun. Whisps of hairs you knew were blonde. Of course then she'd talk. I don't know the alphabet for her gibberish so I can't really give you an accurate quote. All I can say is, on the day in question she lifted her middle finger in the air and screamed "FUCK YOU" to a truck full two screaming guys and a lawnmower from the parking lot of the Lafayette Public Library where me and some boys were skateboarding and she and some girls were hanging out. Honestly it's the only intelligent thing I remember her saying. Though she said it a bit loud and followed it with an invite to a scuffle in the parking lot. They dutifully swung around and we were drawn to conversation when the passenger, Ralph, stepped out of the truck. We knew he was Ralph because it said so on his shirt, opposite the word Sears.

I love fighting but the whole prefight phase I can do without. I'm just too awkward with it. I can never get too angry about abstract stuff. Usually something is too funny to ignore and I just giggle. Giggle enough and mutherfuckers think you're crazy. Either no one wants to fight someone crazy or you've got to be crazy to fight. It's my option select. Jason Copes was abare though. The smallest mutherfucker. Younger by several years. Fourteen maybe and the little brother of Heith (now a sociology professor at UAB and the one time boyfriend of Beth for some unknown reason) and son of the Chief of Police. Since I had Heith's back I had Jason's back and besides the little shit was bulletproof. And he fucking needed it, walking up the Ralph and pointing out for everyone his nametag and the Sears tag.

"So. Ralph. You work at Sears?"
"Yeah."
"Well I can tell it says so right there." Jason's finger almost on the guy's nipple. He looks down.
"So it does. Hey, lemme see a skateboard."
"I will if you cut my grass."
"I'm not cutting your grass. Just lemme see one."
Jason grabs mine and puts it right up to the guy's nose.
"See?"
"No. I wanna ride it." The guy grins. Jason apes his grin.
"Well I wanna knock your fucking teeth out." Grins again. Everone was kinda WTF Jason but we let it go on. There were too many of us for Ralph to get frisky. He was going to have to back off and get into the truck and leave. The guy just looked at Jason and grinned. Like baboons showing teeth. Wrestling for dominance with their most sophisticated means. Jason blinked. Trotted over to the front of the F150.
"Hey, this is a nice TRUCK pal." And with "TRUCK" he slammed his hand down onto the hood. Driver popped out quickly,
"Hey not my truck, okay?" And popped back in. He wanted to leave and I wanted Jason to chill the fuck out, but he was back in Ralph's face.
"I tell you what" Jason pulled out his wallet "I'll give you one dollar if you quit smiling and go to my house and mow my lawn, okay Ralph?" Ralph kept smiling.
"That's okay, but hold on, I've got something for you." Ralph turned and got back into the truck. Jason basked in his display and the door was opened again and Ralph had a large stick but before he could swing, MC jab to his eye. The stick hit the ground. Left hook and he stumbles and I follow POW! his face explodes, his legs buckle and he is down. One step, fists tight and the right one I know is cut from teeth and force. He scramles, crabwalking, face just red and wet. "I was just kidding."

And over my left shoulder, Jason "too late mutherfucker!" and the stick. Not really a stick at all but a two inch steel pipe through the F150 windshield. Five dudes jumped in the back of the truck and yanked out the lawnmower and I stood there, bloodied hands, watching Ralph scurry into the truck and off they go. The City Police station is two blocks from the public library in Lafayette and the houses of our hosts were across the street. They went their way, we went ours and Jason happily fondled his new souvenier as we peeked from the windows at the passing cop cars.

 

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ah San, your posts are sometimes very relieving. A lot fight stories really have the same moral... "Dont be a dick."

 

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Srider said:

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vanity said:

lol? If I am full mounted on them, how are they going to grab my nuts before I bust in their face?

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Oh yeah, I forgot, the rules say no balls grabbing. Since you weren't going into this with the intention of hurting yourself.

[/ QUOTE ] Ok I'll tell you what. You come to mississauga and we'll start from mount position, and you can do whatever you want.

or... we can look at some video evidence:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5615747381762149354&q=rorion&pl=true

honestly man... which position would you rather be in?

 

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What is that vid supposed to prove? I don't see any attempt at ball grabbing or eye gauging.

 

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vanity said:

or... we can look at some video evidence:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5615747381762149354&q=rorion&pl=true

honestly man... which position would you rather be in?

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I spent hours on photshop making these...





You dont see these "real life solutions" in martial arts very much because its not honorable i guess. I dunno

I said it before and I will say it again .

pwnzorannazonniphoniconned.

 

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Srider said:

What is that vid supposed to prove? I don't see any attempt at ball grabbing or eye gauging.

[/ QUOTE ] Are you sure? The commentator makes mention of the guy attempting to reach for his groin, and in the video he immediately underhooks his arm.

 

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"De googles and groin guard, dey du nuding!"

 

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vanity said:
Ok I'll tell you what. You come to mississauga and we'll start from mount position, and you can do whatever you want.


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LOL only in MMA

 

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I love how traditional martial artists, who never even spar under MMA rules let alone "teh deadly expert eye gouging and ball busting" rules they pertend to talk about what is effective...

 

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vanity said:
yada yada come over here and I'll start in mount and kick your ass yada yada nothing works exept bjj and muay thai you're all dellusional yada yada watch me post my upcoming fight on a fight forum wish me luck I watch MMA on tv yada yada elbows HAHAHAHA


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/KiwE

 

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Honestly, I've never been in a real fight. So I really don't know what would be effective or not. I've been lured by MMA friends to attend some classes with them, and sparred a bit just for fun. From those very very limited experience, I'm just remembering the openings they are leaving wide open when they show me their moves. Granted, it's not a life or death situation, and being a martial arts class, neither party will really really fight as if they are fighting for survival. They won't try to hit you hard, or do the variety of nasty stuff like biting, blind hit, twisting limbs etc. So there is really no way to tell if what they are practicing is really effecting against a resisting opponent, much like the argument given for aikido up there. I'm no expert in fighting or any discipline of martial art, the only thing I have to go by is sparring with a couple of top students for fun. What I don't understand is, with a good sense of balance and a good sense of what's vulnerable, it was quite easy at least for me to keep their techniques ineffective. Without the restrictions of a 'ring' or without the restrictions of allowed attacks, and likewise 'rules' it's hard for me to see the effectiveness of what they or really anyone practices. Of course, this argument can be applied just the same the opposite way. If you are in a real fight for survival, would you really limit yourselves to the techniques, or rules applied in a MMA match? I would guess not.

 

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Well, I don't know what you're friends have shown you, but it's very difficult to avoid a good shot from an experienced grappler, and you're sure as hell not going to stop that shot without any training.

So, I'm led to believe your friends may suck at what they do /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif. And if you see holes in their game, tell them, maybe you're wrong, maybe they're idiots, only way to find out is ask!

 

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Let me ask you this. In mma you train to stop someone by damaging them in some way, if you took away the rules, and you had a traditional martial artist who does not even train against live opponents, who do you think will do better? For mma guy, it would be even easier to fight because you would not have to worry about all these rules.

 

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This is not a traditional martial arts vs mma argument. Is your mma pride being threatened? There is a reason why MMA tournaments have those rules. Go read them if you dont know, and think about the reasons why they are there, why they protect the fighters.

My argument has nothing to do with traditional martial arts, in fact most of the options I've given are probably not endorsed by most traditional martial arts. If you are confident that your training will prepare you for a real life encounter, good for you. If your training makes you so self indulged that you feel threatened by casual and realistic comments that people make, good for you. Thanks for showing a great example of self confidence and self discipline that MMA can give a person. Yes you guys are better man letting us know all the ways your styles can beat us up, twist our joints, reduce us to submission. The great art of MMA is simply too invincible for anyone to talk about it negatively. Well, now the burden is on your shoulders to give us a convincing illustration of no rules fight.

I already have a great idea of how you can do this. Find someone that you practice with, and tell them they can do anything they want to win, no holds barred, and make a video of it like all you MMA people like to do. Finger bending, toe twisting, hair pulling action. I already know there will be a variety of excuses given as a reply on why something like this can't happen; but really, who's stopping you from showing us the most convincing proof of MMA's worth? I think and think and the ultimate reason I can think of at the bottom of everything is a fear of losing, a lack of confidence that all the training you do will be for naught when you realize all those thing you don't train to deal with comes out of no where and possibly cause permanent damage to your body. If that's the case, it's too bad, foregoing this chance to show those who doubt about the sport.

In fact, what's the use of touting your own strengths if you have nothing to show for it? Go beat someone up or pay someone to try to beat you up. Put those knowledge to work.

To me, the best defense is to be saying these things behind the screen. You might say that is cowardly, but why should I put myself in a situation where I can be tackled, punched, injured, etc. Of course, there may be a time when that life and death situation knocks on my door, but at least mentally, you should already realize you just have to do what you have to do in those times. That's enough for me, but maybe other people aren't confident enough to feel that way, thus the need to prepare oneself. I'm sure it doesn't feel good to hear all the people talking trash about the things you take seriously, it really makes you want to reach across and punch them in the face. Unfortunately, that's also probably something that won't happen. So I would think it's frustrating to realize the things you train to do well isn't so practical in real life. Putting those training into use carry a heavy price, one that's almost too much to pay for most. So some approach this another way, they go to tournaments, UFC, Pride FC!! For the glory, the honor, the prize money, the chance to demonstrate their discipline's excellence! They go into the ring and get their bodies all punched up, for the rich people that can afford the tickets, for the excited fans watching on PPV, for the fellow practioners with the dvd's, for martial arts fans around the world to watch!! Good for those people, for their enthusiasm in providing entertainment for the masses. We need it just as much as those who ask if we'd like fries with that.