July Arcadia stuff

just to touch up what myke said:

the Shoulder- P- Yoho- DblPm is for Aoi and Pai only, counter hit, both stances. There's a note about holding the lever forward during the P in closed stance (you have to or shouldn't, I can't tell).

the other combo they talk about is Shoulder- P- b, f+P- DblPm. Open stance, normal hit all girls, counter up to Jacky.

Finally, the PIT combo works against Lion always, but to get it to work against various other people, you'll have to delay the P after the d/f+P+K+G. This is a little dangerous as the timing is different for different people, and if the opponent just holds G, they can guard a mis-timed P, and it's pretty counterable.

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Wow, that's 72 points for the +, , , !! That's good damage for an easier-to-hit-with launcher /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif.

The counter +, , , stands at 94 points I think, which is 4 points higher than the counter , , +, . So higher damage for the shlrm which is faster than the Yoho /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif.

EDIT: +, , +, seems to be 73 points. Still, both are nice /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif.

 

These are all 97 pts against Aoi/Pai (MC of course):

Knee -> -> ->

-> -> Knee -> (open stance)

-> -> -> !!

 

Nice /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif, but I think the reason why those were posted in Arcadia was because they start from the shlrm, which is faster than the Yoho and the knee and is relativly easier to hit with.

 

You can see the PIT combo performed on Jacky in fight one of this Hydra video...

IMF (Akira) vs Super Golden (Jacky)

 

A bit on the minor countering part.. are you saying if you dodge jeffry's d+K+G for example and do a quick elbow... instead of a stagger you get a standing elbow hit?

I assume you cannot high throw these attacks. That'd be silly.

I can see some possible advantages if I'm understanding it right. Dodge a d+K+G and minor counter with a knee, you get the decent knee-vs-standing-nondefender float (85 pt combo) instead of the relatively useless knee-vs-crouching-nondefender float (37 pt knockdown).

 

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Wow, that's 72 points for the shlrm, p, b,f+p, dblpm!! That's good damage for an easier-to-hit-with launcher .


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this was doable in ver.c, even the original VF4 ver.b,.... on counter, it is up to 93 pts (mostly the only way to perform it unless it's lightweights).

 

ah
don't u just miss ver c shoulder ram? ^^
I know I do kekeke

 

Hehe, what SummAh said /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif. Sorry, I am not that much of a combo nut so I don't usually memorize or use all combos for the characters I play /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif. But with version C's shrm you can do + > > + > on most of the characters so the previously mentioned scenario wasn't really needed back then /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif.

 

i think the point of what arcadia's talking about with the mC thing is this (if I understand it correctly):

Some moves, like Jeffry's d+K+G and Lei's d/f+K+G, K recover crouching, so you can do a low throw or applicable atttack (elbow, DblPm etc). But, if you hit the opponent during this crouching recovery with a low P, they'll snap into a standing position, and from here you can apply a Nitaku with buffered throw/middle attack.

So, let's say Aoi guards Jeffry's d+K+G. Normally, Jeffry would probably pound in Dodge- d+P+K+G- d/b+P+K+G (double low throw escape)- guard... or whatever complex defensive command you like, hoping to TE low throws and dodge attacks put in too slowly etc.

Here, Aoi can just put in a low P as soon as she guards, and Jeffry's hit into the standing position, as well as his timing is now thrown off; and Aoi can apply a nice nitaku (really nice for people with FC throws).

Basically, this is like the idea of using a P to mC moves, followed with a throw instead of just going for the throw. Arcadia's just pointing out that after the low P, the opponent is standing, not crouching. Looks like they say that it works well against guarded low kicks. Also nice because after guarding a move like low K, while you've got 14 frames, sometimes people (like me) are a little slow and our guaranteed Elbow class move gets dodged. This method allows you 2 frames of extra time, and potentially better damage (IE mC DblPm for 43 points or mC low P for 12 points, followed with b, f+P+G for 50, total 62).

Of course, the throw/attack isn't guaranteed, but it's good to try anyway, you can always go back to the guaranteed damage if the oppt gets wise and starts DTEG'ing after the mC low P or whatever.

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ah, that's good clarification... thanks. Is a minor counter low punch the same as a normal low punch... +3? I'm sure it's not the +5 from a MC but it's happy anyway. There aren't many useful 15 frame moves though, you're going from a tight-but-guaranteed elbow stagger to an elbow-or-throw guessing game. I'd prolly just low punch in retaliation, knowing I don't need to fear beatknuckle class or knee class attacks.

 

um... what does the "D" stand for in DTEG?

"........." throw escape - guard.

does it stand for "dodge"? or "ducking"?
cheerz.

 

Double

 

actually, in this case I meant dodge-throw escape- guard, but it could also mean double.

I guess some people say D-DTEG for dodge-Dbl TE-Guard.

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Doh! /versus/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Guess I'm weird I say E-DTEG (Evade)

 

i just realised that i also usually say edteg.